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stanski

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Dull equipment and you!
« on: April 03, 2005, 08:23:36 AM »
If you want to see a ball move, I would not go for dull particles. Dull particles are NOT MEANT TO MOVE! If you want to see them move, put a little polish on them. People get confused with balls with a lot of surface because you have to play a lot straighter with them to keep your carry up! There is not a lot of room to swing, because by the time it swings back, all its energy has been used up!

I have never run into a condition (Even when the lanes were flooded like at the mjma tournament today, those who bowled it can attest to this) that a polished solid/particle will move less in the backend for my style than a dull reactive/particle! I would like to see some mjma members reply to this and affirm the fact that the lanes had AT LEAST 70 units inside of the 5 board to start with carrydown from open bowlers. I ended up using a POLISHED saw blade because the little backend reaction that it gave me was better than the burning out reaction I was getting from my other equipment!

Before I bought another ball, the first thing I would do is polish it. If that doesn't work, you might think about getting a different strong ball and polishing that!

I think many on this board can understand what I am talking about when i say that yes, dull balls hook more throughout the lane, but to the average bowler, slightly polished strong equipment LOOKS like it hooks more, even on the heaviest of oil, and can often hit better.

The crankers today were all even bringing gp2's, wmb's, scb's and the like and playing up the 10 board! The oil was very heavy to start with, but playable as the scores could attest to. I played straight up 5 with a 3 board hook at the end (yes, 3 boards) for a bowler that is used to swinging 3rd arrow out to the 5 or 6 board and watching the ball come screaming back! Luckily i have played on enough conditions that i could exploit this condition to the best of my ability (cut was to 16 out of 77, i was 17th, missed the cut by 17 pins).


Prime example of polished ball hooking more than similar dull ball- My track phenom, 1000 grit polished, pin under ring versus my 500 grit diesel particle, pin under ring. I have NEVER run into a condition where the diesel allowed me to swing the ball more than the phenom, never!


posted from another thread for those that didn't see it there, thought it was worthy of its own thread! Skip over the whole thing and read the bottom for a summary. Comments and criticism of my analysis are welcome.

I believe this is the biggest misconseption about dull equipment, especially particle. People ask for balls that hook, and drillers give them balls with a lot of surface and early rolling drills. Now, for some bowlers with a lot of speed or little revs, this works, but for all of us inbetween, THIS IS NOT A GOOD OPTION BECAUSE THEY DON"T KNOW HOW TO USE THE EQUIPMENT! Dull balls are just not meant to be swung!

btw, a kid today had a gp2 and a wmb drilled similarly, and they both hooked the EXACT same amount  (little joke based on another thread). Sorry for the long reply, I think it was worth it to make my point though.


Summary-dull equipment must be played straighter than polished equipment on nearly all oil patterns (Dull i consider 800 and below). Higher grit sanding can also act similar to polishing. It is very hard to swing dull equipment!


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Re: Dull equipment and you!
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2005, 06:04:38 PM »
good post, I actually think I made some big mistakes with my arsenal. My best two balls by far are my hex and my thrash. Because they have decent length and store energy. My untamed and power diesel are also good but my untamed is so condition specific it's not funny and my power diesel needs oil and lots of it. My very slow speed and med-high rev rate do not match well with my equipment. I am going to be asking for suggestions on my arsenal in a few days because I know I need to be using polished equipment with more length. Anyway good point stanski.
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stanski

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Re: Dull equipment and you!
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2005, 08:43:50 PM »
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Good point, I think a lot of my customers could stand to read this.  Today, however, I needed to go to a dull ball because the stuff I was throwing just wouldn't hook earlier. If I tried to move further out or swing the ball I caught all kinds of ugly carrydown and if I tried to move any tighter my release wouldn't allow me to be consistent.  

Also, isn't it more than 3 boards from straight up 5 to the pocket?
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Not if you're standing right of the 5 board, I should clarify and say i "Hit 5 at the arrows and about 12 at the breakpoint." I REALLY had to point it until game 3.
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Re: Dull equipment and you!
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 10:09:30 PM »
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bowled at the mjma in grand blanc and started with my Absolute 15 at the arrows to about 6 at the break. shot 258 262 out of the gate, then i totally lost it. My Absolute was hooking too much, and my Zone Classic wasnt hooking enough. Then by the last game i figured it out and shot 214, solid ten first shot in the tenth cost me the cut. missed by five damn pins. o well, house shots are retarded anyways.

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You were playing about the same line as ronnie sparks, and he had the same results, two big games to start, then he fell off from there.

I started out with 248, 219, 226, went on a bad 2 game stretch, went for 258, and the last 2 games all I needed to do was shoot +14 and I would have made the cut. Instead, I shot -3 and missed the cut by 17 pins.

A lot of the medium to high rev players were playing this line, but they can play this line on almost any shot. My first initial impression that the shot was very heavy was kennedy throwing his first ball, barely hitting the 3 pin, and just staring at the lanes as if "What the hell just happened." He came back and jokes "the lanes are flying today boys."

And yes, I agree, I hate house shots also. My spare game is what carries me over other bowlers, and that is just not a good thing to have on a house shot. I watched them play for the first few games today and it looked like the shot either always plays like that or that there is just that much oil that they put inside. I was really surprised at the lack of swing room that everyone had to start off with, I'm just no used to THAT much oil inside.
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