Author Topic: Just wondering - Honor Scores getting denied back in the days ... (Read 3505 times)

trash heap · « **on:** July 12, 2011, 09:25:31 AM »

Just wondering what were some of the main reasons honor scores/series would be denied by the ABC back in the day.

Lanes? Pins? Gutters? Pin Deck?

Mighty Fish · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:37:02 PM »

There were a number of reasons for high-score "rejection" back in the day, so to speak.

As you may be aware, after every honor score, local association officials were required to make a full inspection, and that inspection included lane conditions, pins, ball and other factors. And non-compliance with ABC/WIBC rules in any of those categories would be potential reason(s) for disqualification of high-score approval.

Without a doubt, a very large percentage of the rejected scores were because of non-complying lane conditions, but there were a few disqualifications because of other things as well.

[Fast-forward to the 2000s, when several 900 series were approved, even when bowled in unwitnessed prebowling sessions. Have times changed, or what?]

bullred · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »

Shot a 300 in early eighties in a league. League over at 9pm. Was 2am before manager , and 2 members of local assoc were found , came to lanes and began the weighing of pins, lane inspection, etc. Was another week before it was certified. Proshop guy didn't have a scale. All had to take my ball to another proshop and certify. Got one turned down in an old house, because too many pins had rounded off btms and too big of chunks out of them.

Bigmike · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2011, 07:19:32 AM »

Had a former teammate throw 29 in a row back in the mid 80's and have it get turned down. He went 177-300-300 throwing the last 29 to do so. He told me his letter stated that there were boards on the right side of the lane that were not oiled making it a non-compliant condition. The kicker: He is left-handed. What made it more impressive is it would have been the first back-to-back 300's in central Ohio. And to boot the next highest set in the league was 642.

One of my oldest bowling buds had an honor score turned down in his teens. He was arrogant back in those days and we had notoriously vindictive "green-coats" around here back then. He pissed a few of them off with his brash attitude and ability at an young age and they got even in the end.

There used to be some "score-settling" back in the day when it came to honor score inspections.

"Tell me Cup, how does a great ball striker like you shoot an 82? Well I lipped out this putt on 18......"

Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro-Shop staff -Columbus, OH

batbowler · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:44:22 AM »

I had an honor score turned down in the 80's cause the lanes had to be inspected and tapes sent in! The association secretary was not available and the lanes didn't get check for several days. The amazing thing is the lanes were wood and they didn't have a lane machine! The bowling center owner used a bug sprayer with lane oil in it and he would spray the lanes and cross wipe with a line-a-duster to spread the oil. I had the first 300 in about 7 or 8 years and the house was known for it's tough conditions! Now you can put out any shot after the lanes were certified at the beginning of the new season and all score are passed!

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geritoldude · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2011, 06:48:02 PM »

Back in the 70's in my area it was an exception that any award score be recognized due to the ABC amendment 4 rule. This mandated a even/flat oil application from gutter to gutter. Following any award score the bowling center was required to call the association secretary who would show up and graph the lanes using the slider type analyzer. For tournaments the house could request the secretary to analyze the lanes ahead of time. In order to keep tournaments fair between right and left hand bowlers most of our scratch tournaments were not sanctioned. If sanctioned the lefties won all the money.

avabob · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2011, 10:06:38 PM »

Amendment 4 was probably the rule that caused the biggest back lash and lead to over blocking of lanes as a response. Enforcement was totally capricious and there were really no tools to accurately measure the oil. In most places you could wall them up at 3rd arrow so long as you put some ob oil out around 7 board. The local officials couldn't prove it wasn't a track that developed. The only scores ever saw get rejected were where they were pretty walled off the corner. However my first 2 300's were both thrown in small town centers and were sanctioned by the local officials despite the fact that the lanes didn't comply, and would probably have been rejected in my home association.

Bigmike · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2011, 12:58:22 PM »

Bob did you ever hear of a machine that used to leave the outside 2-3 boards dry when it dressed the lanes? I had some different people tell me there were a couple of centers in town that had the sweetest gutter shots and that if you were "in the know" and recognized this particular lane model, you could jump to the twig and have a great look all day.

"Tell me Cup, how does a great ball striker like you shoot an 82? Well I lipped out this putt on 18......"

Mike Craig - Storm Products Pro-Shop staff -Columbus, OH

Slick300 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2011, 04:22:43 PM »

In the 80`s I shot a 300 that was accepted one month later I shot 299 and they did not rope off the lanes and thus they were re-oiled before they could be inspected and the score was denied. There were only 3 honor scores in the center that year and it would have been the fourth. Both were bowled with a yellow dot. The irony is today lane surfaces have more friction, the balls are more powerfull,the lanes get inspected once a year and itis not uncommon for there to be 4 honor scores in one league night. People wonder why bowling is in the state that it is.

Ray Lathrop
Better Bowling Concepts

txbowler · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2011, 06:47:01 PM »

I shot a 300 in the early 80s in a major city. The association exec secretary shows up about 30 mins after the league ends. I shot it game 1 and he was notified. I hung around to see what the process was. He shows with a big folder of divider tabs of forms. I asked him what the process is. He proceeds to tell me. "Let me see, where am I?". Scrolls through his tabs and finds the matching house and pulls out a photo copy of a form.

I asked him what is that form. He told me, a copy of a 300 from here that was approved by ABC. I asked what do you use it for. He said to make sure I get my ring. And he proceed to copy all the information onto my form as if he did the inspection that night, which he never did. My 300 was approved and I received my ring.

I have no idea if the information on the form reflected what I bowled on that night or not.

Had I not stayed to watch this, I would not have known it occurred.

And you wonder why USBC had to change the certification rules for honor scores.

Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2011, 07:39:47 PM »

My first 300 back in 1988 was rejected because the league secretary didn't bowl in the league (a company league) and they 'forgot' to send the sanctioning fees in. Let's just say, this was the first time this league was going to be sanctioned. Everything else was good to go. Got my denial letter. I of course appealed. Got the league secretary to get the money and cards in and about 8 weeks later I got the approval. Mine was simple but geez, I had no idea the league secretary wasn't even part of the league until afterwards when I was trying to figure out as to why nothing was turned in! I didn't work for this company but one of my friends did. They presented a plaque to the company as well which I thought was amusing to say the least.

JohnP · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2011, 02:32:50 PM »

"Bob did you ever hear of a machine that used to leave the outside 2-3 boards dry when it dressed the lanes?"

Lane men could use shims on some of the old machines to prevent however many boards they wanted from getting any oil applied. We called it blocking. -- JohnP

avabob · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2011, 03:30:22 PM »

Yes. There was a lane machine called the Luck Lane King. Don't know if it ever got sold or promoted nationally, but I bowled in 3 or 4 houses that used it. If featured a buffing pad that applied oil as it rotated from side to side on the frame while moving down the lane. The pad never reached the first 5 boards. It pre dated the early DBA Century machines that used shims to block the pattern. My first 300 was on a Lucky Lane King condition.

Edited by avabob on 7/15/2011 at 3:33 PM

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