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hyme29

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visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« on: July 02, 2013, 12:20:04 AM »
Hello all, I got a immortal pearl and redrilled it pin over ring and cg 1/2 from the midline and the (virtual mass bias)ended up 1/4" right of the edge of my switch grip thumb edge.... Now I was tempted to motion hole this ball ,but was advised that since this is a anti-mass bias ball its not a good idea.... So is there a special way you have to place a balance hole on the immortal pearl? Or is the standard gradient line balance hole placement what I should use?
id like some help from those that are more knowledgeable on weight hole placement to help me pick the correct spot whether it be p1-p4 or maybe a mo hole will work ...but please give suggestions ... Thanks

I'm looking for the most backend & drive through the pins...
pap is 4 9/16> 1/4^
475 revs
45* rotation
15*tilt

 

kidlost2000

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 01:21:13 AM »
Is the cg a half inch right of your mid gripline, or above or below it?
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 05:56:07 AM »
Hello all, I got a immortal pearl and redrilled it pin over ring and cg 1/2 from the midline and the (virtual mass bias)ended up 1/4" right of the edge of my switch grip thumb edge.... Now I was tempted to motion hole this ball ,but was advised that since this is a anti-mass bias ball its not a good idea.... So is there a special way you have to place a balance hole on the immortal pearl? Or is the standard gradient line balance hole placement what I should use?
id like some help from those that are more knowledgeable on weight hole placement to help me pick the correct spot whether it be p1-p4 or maybe a mo hole will work ...but please give suggestions ... Thanks

I'm looking for the most backend & drive through the pins...
pap is 4 9/16> 1/4^
475 revs
45* rotation
15*tilt

1.) I would get the Motion Hole out of your head as the layout doesn't suggest it. The core has to be radially symmetric, or close to it, in order to do it. A motion hole with the current layout would merely be an experiment. It could make the ball a beast,..... better chance it makes the ball do absolutely nothing different.

2.) 1/2" for the cg from the midline? Where is it with center line? Is it located above or below the midline? How much are the static weights? This will tell you exactly what you can do as far as weight hole placement.

3.) Throw it and see. If its legal as far as statics and it rolls great, then I wouldnt worry about a weight hole, but throwing it will give you a greater vision of what the ball will need.
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2013, 08:03:22 AM »
Is the cg a half inch right of your mid gripline, or above or below it?
its 1/2" right and 1/4" above

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 08:13:32 AM »
Hello all, I got a immortal pearl and redrilled it pin over ring and cg 1/2 from the midline and the (virtual mass bias)ended up 1/4" right of the edge of my switch grip thumb edge.... Now I was tempted to motion hole this ball ,but was advised that since this is a anti-mass bias ball its not a good idea.... So is there a special way you have to place a balance hole on the immortal pearl? Or is the standard gradient line balance hole placement what I should use?
id like some help from those that are more knowledgeable on weight hole placement to help me pick the correct spot whether it be p1-p4 or maybe a mo hole will work ...but please give suggestions ... Thanks

I'm looking for the most backend & drive through the pins...
pap is 4 9/16> 1/4^
475 revs
45* rotation
15*tilt

1.) I would get the Motion Hole out of your head as the layout doesn't suggest it. The core has to be radially symmetric, or close to it, in order to do it. A motion hole with the current layout would merely be an experiment. It could make the ball a beast,..... better chance it makes the ball do absolutely nothing different.

oh exactly my main point id like to give it a try cause I believe the core is asymmetric before drilling cause of the light cap on the back but the ball becomes more symmetrical after drilling or at least that's what I gather by the design of the ball

2.) 1/2" for the cg from the midline? Where is it with center line? Is it located above or below the midline? How much are the static weights? This will tell you exactly what you can do as far as weight hole placement.

it is 1/2> 1/4^ of the center point of the midline

3.) Throw it and see. If its legal as far as statics and it rolls great, then I wouldnt worry about a weight hole, but throwing it will give you a greater vision of what the ball will need.
it rolls ok, just needs a little more strength on the rear its clean and revs well but does not have all the strength on the back id like to see.. I 99% of the time tell my driller to drill the ball as close to 0 to start as far as side weight goes I believe it is at 1/8side top and bottom I'm not 100% sure

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:26 AM »
It doesn't sound like you have a lot of side and bottom weight to do a Gradient weight hole that will go deep enough to affect the reaction. The best thing to do is take it back to your driller to assess your options. He can weigh it and tell you. Maybe he can bury the fingers a bit deeper to create some weight, maybe not. It just depends on the weight.
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2013, 08:36:55 AM »
Have you tried surface adjustments?
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2013, 09:16:10 AM »
Have you tried surface adjustments?
yeah I'll have to take it and have him weigh it up and go from there ... I had him put the ball at 2000+polish I may try 4k dull give it a little better read

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2013, 11:38:33 AM »
With the cg location there is little side weight, and very little thumb weight to add an x-hole of size and depth to have the desired effects your looking for with say a P3 hole or going down your val from your pap 2.5" to add one there.

Another option you can try that I have been playing with and that the blueprint software shows to be very effective is included in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrReZOPYdt8
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2013, 05:41:53 PM »
With the cg location there is little side weight, and very little thumb weight to add an x-hole of size and depth to have the desired effects your looking for with say a P3 hole or going down your val from your pap 2.5" to add one there.

Another option you can try that I have been playing with and that the blueprint software shows to be very effective is included in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrReZOPYdt8
ok so my immortal pearl is seriously layed out almost exactly like the evil siege the only difference is the cg is maybe 3/8 further right... otherwise id say identical... i think ill give it a try ill shoot some footage too so i can see the results

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2013, 05:57:47 PM »
Very cool. I used a 1" hole 3.5" to 4" deep. It is 1" to 1.25" down from my center grip. My thumb is pitched away so I pitched the x-hole at 0, 0. If your thumb is at 0 fw or rev or if you have some fw pitch then pitch the x-hole fw as well to keep from intersecting.

By coming down the center grip towards the thumb it has a bigger effect then being on the center grip and you cant feel the x-hole because that part of your hand isn't touching the ball.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2013, 06:05:40 PM »
Very cool. I used a 1" hole 3.5" to 4" deep. It is 1" to 1.25" down from my center grip. My thumb is pitched away so I pitched the x-hole at 0, 0. If your thumb is at 0 fw or rev or if you have some fw pitch then pitch the x-hole fw as well to keep from intersecting.

By coming down the center grip towards the thumb it has a bigger effect then being on the center grip and you cant feel the x-hole because that part of your hand isn't touching the ball.
sweet i have 0lateral and 1/4 reverse now i do use switch grip any precautions i should use?

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013, 06:13:53 PM »
Iv read before that with the super high starting diff that p1 or p2 holes actually benefit most people more with this ball. My starting flares are spread over an inch and it flares almost all the way around the ball. Is it possible you are getting too much too soon?

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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 06:18:43 PM »
Have any of you considered this ball has an Immortal core which is not symmetrical  and from what the OP says is not hitting hard on the backend.  Many older VBP users have reported this in the past when the IS and IP are not used on enough volume and/or these strong balls roll out.  This may or may not be a candidate to use a Motion hole...I'd guess not.  JMO.  Try a symmetrical ball with a Motion hole first.  Least that's what I'd do.  Just me but I would not put a Motion hole in an AMB ball.  If you have access to a DeTerminator that's where to find out information before re-drilling.  Like to know where the PSA is now before you do anything.  Layout incorrect for stats and lane condition is my guess. 

I wouldn't say anything but these AMB balls are condition and drill/layout specific I have a number of them
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Re: visionary immortal pearl weight hole placment, please help
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 08:52:13 PM »
Very cool. I used a 1" hole 3.5" to 4" deep. It is 1" to 1.25" down from my center grip. My thumb is pitched away so I pitched the x-hole at 0, 0. If your thumb is at 0 fw or rev or if you have some fw pitch then pitch the x-hole fw as well to keep from intersecting.

By coming down the center grip towards the thumb it has a bigger effect then being on the center grip and you cant feel the x-hole because that part of your hand isn't touching the ball.
sweet i have 0lateral and 1/4 reverse now i do use switch grip any precautions i should use?

Nope. Just making sure you don't drill into the thumb with the x-hole.

To the other post, there are many reason the ball may not be finishing. We are not there to see the bowler or the condition. We can only speculate.

I always prefer to try the ball in a few different houses before making a decision on if I like or hate it, or if I want to change it. Unless it was drilled to fit a specific house or condition.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.