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renaissanceman517kak

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It's probably me, but...
« on: April 03, 2010, 01:19:53 AM »
As some of you may know, I have missed much of the last 5-6 years of bowling with assorted injuries, and I took last season off altogether to try to let my body heal as much as possibly without me jumping back into the competitive fray.

When this season started, I was determined to buy just one ball; I wanted to see if I could make it through a season healthy before spending money on anything more than just one. So for this season, I have used only an Onyx Vibe, plus a Storm Jolt pearl that I had from a couple seasons ago.

Well, yesterday I went and bought a Jigsaw Corner, and had it drilled up as I was bowling my Friday night league (probably not smart, but I've done it a few times before in the past). So my driller comes and gets me when he's almost done, to check the fit; everything is cool. Pay for the ball, and after league, grab a lane to try it out...

Well, the ball that I expected to be flying across the lanes on a burnt out condition, in fact barely moved at all. It was going dead straight unless I slowed it way down, at which point it would make the slightest of turns on the backend, and hit the pics like a marshmallow.

After a few games, I was able to play with speed and release enough to get it to move a little bit, but hardly anything close to advertised for this ball. The one thing I noticed (and this is why it may have been foolish to have something drilled up while I'm in league) was that the drilling was totally different from what I normally get. Normally my pin location is pin up and a little to the right of the ring finger; the drilling on the jigsaw corner has the pin down, just below the fingers. Stupidly, I didn't notice this when the driller was checking my fit.

So, I'm not the most knowledgeable by any means when it comes to drillings. but could it be that the pin down position was causing the ball to roll out so early on those burnt out lanes that it seemed like it was doing nothing as it traveled downlane?

For the record, I am speed-dominant, low-to-medium revs, down and in type bowler...
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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 09:44:55 AM »
Pin down means the ball is burning up more than likely.

DId your driller think that you were using the vibe as your primary ball?
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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 09:47:13 AM »
first off that ball comes at 500 then 4000 grit. this, in my opinion, makes the ball read earlier while still being able to clear the heads. BUT for some may never match up to that surface OR will not have enough oil to let the ball store energy.

second, pin down is going to make the ball roll up a little quicker, but whats equally if not more important is where the mass bias has been placed. if its placed in a strong position for you it can cause the ball to go into a forward roll too soon.


lots of variables here.

if it was me I would change the surface of the ball. hit it with 2000 then 4000 grit should do the trick as this is what I had to do to balls that come 500/4000 because I seem to get hook in the fronts then little to no backend. changing to a smoother but not polished surface seems to get the ball to behave for me.

don't give up, it may just take some tweaking to get it to match up to you.

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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2010, 09:51:08 AM »
Rene,  the Corner needs oil...The oob finish is at 4000... I would leave it there and try the ball on a fresh shot on league night... If it still is not hooking, you can polish it...

But it sounds like your ball could have been burning up to soon... How was your other balls hooking that night... Both of those are way tamer than the Corner...

Now as for the pin down... Not bad if you have speed.. But where is the MB placed?

Is it under your thumb, or just right of it, or 1 1/2" right or 3" right.. And where is your balance hole placed?

What where the specs of the ball??/ The top weight and pin??

Another thing, it seems that at this time of the year, the shot gets drier... at least around here...
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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2010, 09:54:34 AM »
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Rene,  the Corner needs oil...The oob finish is at 4000... I would leave it there and try the ball on a fresh shot on league night... If it still is not hooking, you can polish it...

But it sounds like your ball could have been burning up to soon... How was your other balls hooking that night... Both of those are way tamer than the Corner...

Now as for the pin down... Not bad if you have speed.. But where is the MB placed?

Is it under your thumb, or just right of it, or 1 1/2" right or 3" right.. And where is your balance hole placed?

What where the specs of the ball??/ The top weight and pin??

Another thing, it seems that at this time of the year, the shot gets drier... at least around here...
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I was wondering which ball was drilled as descibed.
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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 06:37:37 PM »
this is a topic i struggle with ,i dont know why but i do. That being said,friday night i have struggled for the past 2 months with reading the lanes and proper ball selection. I have a few new balls,mission,mutant cell mega recovery,and friday i get so frustratwed because none of these balls move and if they do i get mixed and inconsistent reads. I had my magic taken to a 1000 and it was only moving 5 boards and if i missed right i washed out.
   So out of frustratiion and in an attempt to throw in the towel i picked up my fast that i had just polished. Stood in the same spot as the magic and crushed the pocket. I thought i threw a bad shot, so i corrected for what was a bad shot threw a good shot that hooked up so hard it could have pulled a boat. I moved 4 boards left and finished the game in total disbelief that this ball was moving so much where my other stuff did nothing.  Yeah they were all burning up.No oil for a hook monster means no hook.
    I dont care how you look at it if your ball isnt moving or carrying and its supposed to be a hook monster,put it up,get something weaker. You cant make it work on a condition it cant match up with. I have had my mutant for a couple of months now and that ball is phenomenal in oil and a total turd without it. Had i not thrown the ball on a good shot i would have sold it and been complaining about another ball sucking. Jigsaw corner is a strong oil ball unless you intend to play straighter with good speed it wont work on a dry shot. I watched a guy wed play one where i was hooking the whole lane with a rattler. He was playing 17 to the pocket and crushing it. But he wasnt asking it to hook,just finish and carry. If he missed right it was dead,he just wasnt missing much. Moral of the story if its not hooking you dont have enough oil. This is a hard pill to swallow i know,having been in this spot sooooo many times,using the strongest stuff on the market and constantly complaining about bad equipment and wrong drill choices,all it really is is bad ball choice.
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Re: It's probably me, but...
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 06:47:02 PM »
This is another fine example of where a mid range/priced ball is more than enough, and the high end balls are too much.

I had always been buying the high end pieces, but rarely have success with them.  Either they burn up too quickly and leave me a lot of corner pins, or change direction way too much at the end of the lane.  Since I started using mid range equipment my scores are much more consistent and my ball reaction is much better.

A pin down drilling is going to want to start the ball into it's roll earlier (my favorite lay out btw) and matching an early rolling drilling with an early rolling ball is not a good idea.  That ball is going to burn off all it's energy in your back swing.  You're going to have to polish it or plug it up and re drill it.  

That being said, I've seen a few Corners being thrown and none of them look very good.
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