Author Topic: Was it really a good game (Read 4149 times)

bowlallthetime · « **on:** May 29, 2008, 02:52:46 AM »

A guy in a PBA Experience league shot a 205 and another bowler told them good game.....but was it really a good game? He had a brooklyn in the 2nd, followed by a pocket strike in the 3rd. Also had a pocket strike in the 5th, followed by a brooklyn in the 6th, and a pocket strike in the 7th. The two brooklyns added 30 pins to his score. Now I wouldn't say that was a nice game, but it was a nice score. That bowler really deserved a 170-175 at best, not a 200.

I'm not saying I don't get breaks, because I do. But I wouldn't consider that a true 200 on a pba shot. I've shot 190 on a pba shot where i was in the pocket every shot. I just didn't carry. I would say I "bowled" a better game with my 190 than the bowler with a 205.

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TDC57 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2008, 04:06:04 PM »

If a guy throw numerous Brooklyns every week you could raise an eyebrow if he's getting good scores. If he threw a couple less than perfect shots to help get a 205 game, it's not the same. To think anything negative about saying good game on the 205 described to us, makes you a snob elitist. Congratulate him, as luck has and always will play a part of this game and certainly does on tougher shots

bowlallthetime · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2008, 06:15:33 PM »

well every week its 4-5 brooklyns. the point is understanding the difference between bowling well, and just getting a ton a great breaks to score well.

tenpin477 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2008, 09:05:21 PM »

I actually agree. The guy shot 205 on a PBA shot, thats a good game, period.

But he didnt bowl well as you described, he simply scored well. The USBC doesnt make a disctinction, the PBA doesnt make a distinction, and most bowlers wont make a distinction. But just be assured that the bowler who can bowl well will probably win in the grand scheme of things.

ccrider · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2008, 09:37:37 PM »

Do you want to borrow a bottle and hankie?? I have seen some players consistantly throw brooklyn strikes. Not conventional, but it counts the same. His striking brooklyn is no worse than you wining about it.

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The guy averages 205 on a THS, 169 on the PBA. My point is he did this league during the summer to try and improve. He last two series were around 440-460. He bowled 550 this week. After bowling, he said he bowled 100 over the last week so he figured the shot out and was doing better. I am friends with this guy and we discuss bowling all the time.

I tried telling him that his score was higher this week partly because of the brooklyns. They added around 50-60 pins to his series, which would put him at a high 400 series.

If you want to improve your bowling, you just can't look at scores, but you should look at the shots you made and if they were quality shots.

I would not want to average 200 on a pba shot by throwing 4-5 brooklyns a night. I'd rather average 185 with decent shot making with very few brooklyns.

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bowlallthetime · « **Reply #20 on:** May 30, 2008, 12:38:25 AM »

I'm not meaning to whine about his game. My point is that in order to get better, you need to look beyond your score to evaluate your bowling.

Would a 300 game with 2 brooklyns mean as much to you as a 300 with all pocket hits? I only have 1 300 and they were all pocket hits. I also have a 296, where I went brooklyn on the 11th, and light on the 12th. I am relieved that I didn't get lucky on the 12th because I didn't deserve the 11th one.

I guess I am more critical of how I bowl than most people are, and I look at others games in the same way I look at my own.

There is nothing wrong with having brooklyns in games. But when you are trying to improve, I think you need to be more aware if you are really improving or just getting lucky with brooklyns.

Your score doesn't tell the entire story.

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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2008, 07:52:34 AM »

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I'm not meaning to whine about his game. My point is that in order to get better, you need to look beyond your score to evaluate your bowling.

Would a 300 game with 2 brooklyns mean as much to you as a 300 with all pocket hits? I only have 1 300 and they were all pocket hits. I also have a 296, where I went brooklyn on the 11th, and light on the 12th. I am relieved that I didn't get lucky on the 12th because I didn't deserve the 11th one.

I guess I am more critical of how I bowl than most people are, and I look at others games in the same way I look at my own.

There is nothing wrong with having brooklyns in games. But when you are trying to improve, I think you need to be more aware if you are really improving or just getting lucky with brooklyns.

Your score doesn't tell the entire story.

Edited on 5/30/2008 0:39 AM

Usually, I'm only that critical of my own game. I try to throw the best shot I can, like anyone else (except sandbaggers), and I'm not proud when I carry on a bad shot. But like I said, I'm not so proud I won't take the score.

I re-read your original post, and I need to ask this: was the bowler himself talking about how good of a game he had? It looks like someone else was saying "good game". If the bowler wasn't bragging it up, he probably knows the truth about how well he bowled the game, regardless of the score. Others may not know, or they may just be good sports by patting him on the back for a good score.

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bowlallthetime · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2008, 09:33:14 AM »

Another bowler did tell him good game. And after bowling he did talk about how he was improving since he shot 550 with two 200 games. But both of those 200 games included multiple brooklyns. So he does think that since his scores were higher, that he bowled better.

shelley · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2008, 10:14:33 AM »

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So he does think that since his scores were higher, that he bowled better.

Isn't score how we determine who wins? Maybe you're thinking of Merkin Bowling, a new form of bowling that doesn't use pins, only sensors on the lane that determine whether you hit your mark with the specified speed, rev rate, tilt, and rotation. It penalizes you completely for missing any aspect of the shot while rewarding you only if you execute perfectly. It takes lane conditions out of play, no favoring the high-rev crankers on the inside or the strokers in the track. It uses standard equipment, no high-powered balls that hook on their own. It solely measures skill and there is absolutely no luck involved. The winner is always the more skilled bowler.

It also doesn't exist. And even if it did, it's probably be boring as fsck.

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CHawk15 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 30, 2008, 10:26:51 AM »

I agree that it's good sportmanship to congratulate someone on a good game and people get lucky on a given night. A 200 game is a 200 game, doesn't matter if the person got lucky or not. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing, just worry about your own game. Let the guy think what he wants, he'll learn otherwise soon enough.

rvmark · « **Reply #25 on:** May 30, 2008, 10:27:57 AM »

I agree I am not thrilled when I go Brooklyn and carry a strike but it is not the end of the world. You said that he bowled a 550 but probably had 50-60 more pins from brooklyns, that still puts him at a better average than his previous two weeks so he is improving some. Quite honestly I can't understand why this would bother any of us unless that individual is bragging, he will still have to show up and bowl next week and if he isn't improving that will show up in the future.

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