Post by: bowlallthetime on May 29, 2008, 02:52:46 AM
I'm not saying I don't get breaks, because I do. But I wouldn't consider that a true 200 on a pba shot. I've shot 190 on a pba shot where i was in the pocket every shot. I just didn't carry. I would say I "bowled" a better game with my 190 than the bowler with a 205.
Edited on 5/30/2008 0:43 AM
Post by: Dan Belcher on May 29, 2008, 11:13:11 AM
If you were in the pocket every shot, but didn't carry, I would say you weren't actually in the pocket. You were just close to it. If you were truly in the pocket, you wouldn't leave half 10s and weak 7s except on errant shots.
Post by: Phoneman on May 29, 2008, 11:20:29 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on May 29, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
I say it no matter how many breaks the other bowler gets, because if are all really honest with ourselves we realize we are all not that good otherwise would be making a living at it.
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I think the gesture of saying "good game" is the important part and not really the score.
Post by: Phoneman on May 29, 2008, 12:36:32 PM
Post by: 9andaWiggle on May 29, 2008, 12:52:52 PM
Same with spares. Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot. Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.
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Post by: shelley on May 29, 2008, 01:02:41 PM
From that, I must conclude that it was indeed a legitimate score of 205. There wasn't anything that said that brooklyns counted differently than pocket strikes.
SH
Post by: StormNation2 on May 29, 2008, 01:08:48 PM
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No, it wasn't a good game. In fact, it sucked! Any strike that occurs when the ball does not hit the 1-3 is NOT a good shot! Further, if you hit so lightly or so heavy in the 1-3 pocket that "messengers" are needed to knock down all 10 pins, then it too is not a quality shot. The only strikes that should count are the ones that properly hit the 1-3 pocket and flush all 10 directly into the pit with no pins noticeable bouncing on the pin deck after the ball has passed. Such shot is the only one that has the perfect speed, angle, and roll to be deserving of a strike. All other strikes are undeserved, and the bowler should hang his head in shame an accept no high-fives or what not for receiving such a pathetically undeserved strike.
Same with spares. Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot. Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.
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Edited on 5/29/2008 12:53 PM
A little rant 9~? I guess a ewe made you mad today or the wifey. But, my opinion is on this, luck plays a part and he gets what he shot. No matter if he deserves it or not, he gets what the scoreboard says. No questions asked.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on May 29, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
quote:No, just a little sarcasm. (He has no need to rant -- his sheep help him relieve enough stress already)
A little rant 9~?
Post by: 9andaWiggle on May 29, 2008, 01:15:08 PM
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No, it wasn't a good game. In fact, it sucked! Any strike that occurs when the ball does not hit the 1-3 is NOT a good shot! Further, if you hit so lightly or so heavy in the 1-3 pocket that "messengers" are needed to knock down all 10 pins, then it too is not a quality shot. The only strikes that should count are the ones that properly hit the 1-3 pocket and flush all 10 directly into the pit with no pins noticeable bouncing on the pin deck after the ball has passed. Such shot is the only one that has the perfect speed, angle, and roll to be deserving of a strike. All other strikes are undeserved, and the bowler should hang his head in shame an accept no high-fives or what not for receiving such a pathetically undeserved strike.
Same with spares. Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot. Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.
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Edited on 5/29/2008 12:53 PM
A little rant 9~? I guess a ewe made you mad today or the wifey. But, my opinion is on this, luck plays a part and he gets what he shot. No matter if he deserves it or not, he gets what the scoreboard says. No questions asked.
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Actually, as painful as it is when your opponent is carrying the world and you're not, I agree with you. Just seems that some people want you to call out on every shot exactly where you'll set the ball down, what speed your ball will be rolling at the arrows, which half of a board you'll be on when your ball starts to hook (plus how many feet down the lane that will be - to the quarter inch), plus hitting the 1-3 pocket perfectly in order to say your score was "deserved".
I don't remember who, but somebody on this site had (has?) the signature that says something along the lines of "Deserves got nothin' to do with it".
I'm not proud, I take them however I can get them! (Although I do feel a bit bad about carrying a bad shot, I don't give the score back!) It all balances out in the end... you'll get some good breaks to make up for all the "taps" you get - and vice-versa.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on May 29, 2008, 03:33:50 PM
I tried telling him that his score was higher this week partly because of the brooklyns. They added around 50-60 pins to his series, which would put him at a high 400 series.
If you want to improve your bowling, you just can't look at scores, but you should look at the shots you made and if they were quality shots.
I would not want to average 200 on a pba shot by throwing 4-5 brooklyns a night. I'd rather average 185 with decent shot making with very few brooklyns.
Post by: trash heap on May 29, 2008, 03:50:18 PM
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I'm not proud, I take them however I can get them! (Although I do feel a bit bad about carrying a bad shot, I don't give the score back!) It all balances out in the end... you'll get some good breaks to make up for all the "taps" you get - and vice-versa.
I totally agree! I have yet to see bowler (Professional or Amateur) take the score back because the the ball did NOT hit the pocket. Everyone believes they deserve them, but there are some that don't think the other bowler is deserving.
As stated before - it's how many.
How many of you would be upset if your opponent threw 7 Brooklyn strikes in row to finish out a game and beat you?
Post by: TDC57 on May 29, 2008, 04:06:04 PM
Post by: bowlallthetime on May 29, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
Post by: tenpin477 on May 29, 2008, 09:05:21 PM
But he didnt bowl well as you described, he simply scored well. The USBC doesnt make a disctinction, the PBA doesnt make a distinction, and most bowlers wont make a distinction. But just be assured that the bowler who can bowl well will probably win in the grand scheme of things.
Post by: ccrider on May 29, 2008, 09:37:37 PM
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The guy averages 205 on a THS, 169 on the PBA. My point is he did this league during the summer to try and improve. He last two series were around 440-460. He bowled 550 this week. After bowling, he said he bowled 100 over the last week so he figured the shot out and was doing better. I am friends with this guy and we discuss bowling all the time.
I tried telling him that his score was higher this week partly because of the brooklyns. They added around 50-60 pins to his series, which would put him at a high 400 series.
If you want to improve your bowling, you just can't look at scores, but you should look at the shots you made and if they were quality shots.
I would not want to average 200 on a pba shot by throwing 4-5 brooklyns a night. I'd rather average 185 with decent shot making with very few brooklyns.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on May 30, 2008, 12:38:25 AM
Would a 300 game with 2 brooklyns mean as much to you as a 300 with all pocket hits? I only have 1 300 and they were all pocket hits. I also have a 296, where I went brooklyn on the 11th, and light on the 12th. I am relieved that I didn't get lucky on the 12th because I didn't deserve the 11th one.
I guess I am more critical of how I bowl than most people are, and I look at others games in the same way I look at my own.
There is nothing wrong with having brooklyns in games. But when you are trying to improve, I think you need to be more aware if you are really improving or just getting lucky with brooklyns.
Your score doesn't tell the entire story.
Edited on 5/30/2008 0:39 AM
Post by: 9andaWiggle on May 30, 2008, 07:52:34 AM
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I'm not meaning to whine about his game. My point is that in order to get better, you need to look beyond your score to evaluate your bowling.
Would a 300 game with 2 brooklyns mean as much to you as a 300 with all pocket hits? I only have 1 300 and they were all pocket hits. I also have a 296, where I went brooklyn on the 11th, and light on the 12th. I am relieved that I didn't get lucky on the 12th because I didn't deserve the 11th one.
I guess I am more critical of how I bowl than most people are, and I look at others games in the same way I look at my own.
There is nothing wrong with having brooklyns in games. But when you are trying to improve, I think you need to be more aware if you are really improving or just getting lucky with brooklyns.
Your score doesn't tell the entire story.
Edited on 5/30/2008 0:39 AM
Usually, I'm only that critical of my own game. I try to throw the best shot I can, like anyone else (except sandbaggers), and I'm not proud when I carry on a bad shot. But like I said, I'm not so proud I won't take the score.
I re-read your original post, and I need to ask this: was the bowler himself talking about how good of a game he had? It looks like someone else was saying "good game". If the bowler wasn't bragging it up, he probably knows the truth about how well he bowled the game, regardless of the score. Others may not know, or they may just be good sports by patting him on the back for a good score.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on May 30, 2008, 09:33:14 AM
Post by: shelley on May 30, 2008, 10:14:33 AM
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So he does think that since his scores were higher, that he bowled better.
Isn't score how we determine who wins? Maybe you're thinking of Merkin Bowling, a new form of bowling that doesn't use pins, only sensors on the lane that determine whether you hit your mark with the specified speed, rev rate, tilt, and rotation. It penalizes you completely for missing any aspect of the shot while rewarding you only if you execute perfectly. It takes lane conditions out of play, no favoring the high-rev crankers on the inside or the strokers in the track. It uses standard equipment, no high-powered balls that hook on their own. It solely measures skill and there is absolutely no luck involved. The winner is always the more skilled bowler.
It also doesn't exist. And even if it did, it's probably be boring as fsck.
SH
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