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bowlallthetime

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Was it really a good game
« on: May 29, 2008, 02:52:46 AM »
A guy in a PBA Experience league shot a 205 and another bowler told them good game.....but was it really a good game?  He had a brooklyn in the 2nd, followed by a pocket strike in the 3rd.  Also had a pocket strike in the 5th, followed by a brooklyn in the 6th, and a pocket strike in the 7th.  The two brooklyns added 30 pins to his score.  Now I wouldn't say that was a nice game, but it was a nice score.  That bowler really deserved a 170-175 at best, not a 200.  

I'm not saying I don't get breaks, because I do.  But I wouldn't consider that a true 200 on a pba shot.  I've shot 190 on a pba shot where i was in the pocket every shot.  I just didn't carry.  I would say I "bowled" a better game with my 190 than the bowler with a 205.

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Dan Belcher

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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 11:13:11 AM »
Ever seen a professional bowler cross over and get a brooklyn strike?  I've seen it happen tons of times.  When you get on a difficult oil pattern, small mistakes can be amplified.

If you were in the pocket every shot, but didn't carry, I would say you weren't actually in the pocket.  You were just close to it.  If you were truly in the pocket, you wouldn't leave half 10s and weak 7s except on errant shots.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 11:20:29 AM »
The other question is what is his average?  If he is averaging 160 and goes +45 then no matter how he got them it was a good game.  If he is averaging 225 and goes -20 then no it was a bad game.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 12:12:52 PM »
I'm pretty sure he's asking what he is averaging in the PBA Experience league.  Just about EVERYBODY knows that there is a huge difference between your THS and your PBA Experience shots.  I can't see why he would be asking about a house shot average when were talking about the PBA Experience league.

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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 12:14:19 PM »
I think the gesture of saying "good game" is the important part and not really the score.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 12:34:50 PM »
Bingo we have a winner here, it is called good sportsmanship it is something that has been forgotten with the younger crowds.


I say it no matter how many breaks the other bowler gets, because if are all really honest with ourselves we realize we are all not that good otherwise would be making a living at it.



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I think the gesture of saying "good game" is the important part and not really the score.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 12:36:32 PM »
I was refering to his PBAX average not THS.  The reason I used 225 is that is what our high qverage is right now in my PBAX league.  No its not me but I am at 215.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 12:52:52 PM »
No, it wasn't a good game.  In fact, it sucked!  Any strike that occurs when the ball does not hit the 1-3 is NOT a good shot!  Further, if you hit so lightly or so heavy in the 1-3 pocket that "messengers" are needed to knock down all 10 pins, then it too is not a quality shot.  The only strikes that should count are the ones that properly hit the 1-3 pocket and flush all 10 directly into the pit with no pins noticeable bouncing on the pin deck after the ball has passed.  Such shot is the only one that has the perfect speed, angle, and roll to be deserving of a strike.  All other strikes are undeserved, and the bowler should hang his head in shame an accept no high-fives or what not for receiving such a pathetically undeserved strike.

Same with spares.  Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot.  Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.

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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 01:02:41 PM »
I looked through the Playing Rules for "good game" and the only reference to whether those brooklyn strikes really should add 30 pins to his score was the section that said "it's not now, it's how many".

From that, I must conclude that it was indeed a legitimate score of 205.  There wasn't anything that said that brooklyns counted differently than pocket strikes.  

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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 01:08:48 PM »
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No, it wasn't a good game.  In fact, it sucked!  Any strike that occurs when the ball does not hit the 1-3 is NOT a good shot!  Further, if you hit so lightly or so heavy in the 1-3 pocket that "messengers" are needed to knock down all 10 pins, then it too is not a quality shot.  The only strikes that should count are the ones that properly hit the 1-3 pocket and flush all 10 directly into the pit with no pins noticeable bouncing on the pin deck after the ball has passed.  Such shot is the only one that has the perfect speed, angle, and roll to be deserving of a strike.  All other strikes are undeserved, and the bowler should hang his head in shame an accept no high-fives or what not for receiving such a pathetically undeserved strike.

Same with spares.  Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot.  Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.

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A little rant 9~?  I guess a ewe made you mad today or the wifey.  But, my opinion is on this, luck plays a part and he gets what he shot. No matter if he deserves it or not, he gets what the scoreboard says. No questions asked.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 01:11:08 PM »
He controlled the pocket, both of them, enough to score well. Based on that, it was a good game.
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2008, 01:12:22 PM »
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A little rant 9~?
No, just a little sarcasm.  (He has no need to rant -- his sheep help him relieve enough stress already)  
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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2008, 01:15:08 PM »
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No, it wasn't a good game.  In fact, it sucked!  Any strike that occurs when the ball does not hit the 1-3 is NOT a good shot!  Further, if you hit so lightly or so heavy in the 1-3 pocket that "messengers" are needed to knock down all 10 pins, then it too is not a quality shot.  The only strikes that should count are the ones that properly hit the 1-3 pocket and flush all 10 directly into the pit with no pins noticeable bouncing on the pin deck after the ball has passed.  Such shot is the only one that has the perfect speed, angle, and roll to be deserving of a strike.  All other strikes are undeserved, and the bowler should hang his head in shame an accept no high-fives or what not for receiving such a pathetically undeserved strike.

Same with spares.  Any spare that is converted by a pin luckily bouncing off the sideboard to take out any remaining pins, with the exception of the 7-10 conversion, is not a quality shot.  Again the bowler should hang his head in shame and receive no pats on the back for merely getting lucky.

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A little rant 9~?  I guess a ewe made you mad today or the wifey.  But, my opinion is on this, luck plays a part and he gets what he shot. No matter if he deserves it or not, he gets what the scoreboard says. No questions asked.
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Actually, as painful as it is when your opponent is carrying the world and you're not, I agree with you.  Just seems that some people want you to call out on every shot exactly where you'll set the ball down, what speed your ball will be rolling at the arrows, which half of a board you'll be on when your ball starts to hook (plus how many feet down the lane that will be - to the quarter inch), plus hitting the 1-3 pocket perfectly in order to say your score was "deserved".

I don't remember who, but somebody on this site had (has?) the signature that says something along the lines of "Deserves got nothin' to do with it".

I'm not proud, I take them however I can get them! (Although I do feel a bit bad about carrying a bad shot, I don't give the score back!)  It all balances out in the end... you'll get some good breaks to make up for all the "taps" you get - and vice-versa.




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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2008, 03:33:50 PM »
The guy averages 205 on a THS, 169 on the PBA.  My point is he did this league during the summer to try and improve.  He last two series were around 440-460.  He bowled 550 this week.  After bowling, he said he bowled 100 over the last week so he figured the shot out and was doing better.  I am friends with this guy and we discuss bowling all the time.  

I tried telling him that his score was higher this week partly because of the brooklyns.  They added around 50-60 pins to his series, which would put him at a high 400 series.  

If you want to improve your bowling, you just can't look at scores, but you should look at the shots you made and if they were quality shots.  

I would not want to average 200 on a pba shot by throwing 4-5 brooklyns a night.  I'd rather average 185 with decent shot making with very few brooklyns.

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Re: Was it really a good game
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2008, 03:50:18 PM »
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I'm not proud, I take them however I can get them! (Although I do feel a bit bad about carrying a bad shot, I don't give the score back!) It all balances out in the end... you'll get some good breaks to make up for all the "taps" you get - and vice-versa.


I totally agree! I have yet to see bowler (Professional or Amateur) take the score back because the the ball did NOT hit the pocket. Everyone believes they deserve them, but there are some that don't think the other bowler is deserving.

As stated before - it's how many.

How many of you would be upset if your opponent threw 7 Brooklyn strikes in row to finish out a game and beat you?



 



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