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Neptune66

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ways to increase speed ?
« on: November 26, 2009, 02:21:10 AM »
Whether due to being slowed by an injury to my quadriceps the last year or old age onset (am in low to mid 50''''s), I am having trouble keeping my speed up, and accuracy is suffering. I have always been a speed dominent bowler, so much so that I had to work hard to reduce speed over the years to gain control. But this is ridiculous now.

If I try to increase speed, I end up throwing like I used to years ago, just skidding the ball down the lane. If I try to work with the reduced speed, I get frustrated cause the ball breaks too early, and cause that is NOT my game!!!!

Have tried moving to the left and throwing the ball farther out (always been a down and in player), and even lofting the ball farther down the lane, but THAT reduces accuracy too, and I am not a lofting type bowler.

My injury is not 100% healed---might never be---but it really does not hurt or impede me noticeably when delivering the ball. Still...I believe I started doing something differently to compensate for pain or the anticipation of pain, and cannot seem to get back to what I consder my normal delivery.

The lanes HAVE also been drier, but I used to be someone who absolutely loved bowling with less oil versus more. Either they are much drier than they have ever been, or it is not the lanes at all.

And I realize no one will be able to prescribe much over the internet without seeing me bowl, or having seen how I USED to bowl. But hoping to see some suggestions for increasing speed that I might be able to incorporate the next time out. I used to cruise at around 17.1-17.5 mph, and lately it''''s like 14.9 to 15.5. It''''s not the numbers that concern me, it''''s just messing up my entire targeting system.  And some day, I will need to learn how to bowl like an old[er] man, but in the meantime, I want my speed back somehow.

Any suggestions welcome. Increase ball height, etc.  I know some of these. Just not sure which is best, or which would be least disruptive to the rest of my delivery.

Thanks.



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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2009, 10:33:41 AM »
Neptune,

Here is a tip that I am not sure you may have tried as of yet...

Step on the approach as normal and get set up..

Then take one decent step backwards.....

Don't change anything other than your starting point.

What this does is quickens up your steps due to having to cover a larger area with the same amount of steps..

This will increase ball speed too...

I like this method best as it doesn't change one thing about my approach and delivery so doesn't change any timing..

Just start a foot furter back from your original spot and see the results.

Hope this helps.

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Neptune66

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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2009, 11:01:16 AM »
Unfortunately... I am already standing at the farthest set of dots. At least, that has been my normal starting point.

In fact...lately, I have experimented with doing just the opposite of what you suggested and been starting between the two sets, about a foot CLOSER to the pins. And it has helped to get the ball farther down the lane before it does it's premature break, but even when successful, I feel that is only masking the loss of speed.

If I could stand farther back, I would, but that would require having to step up onto the lane in mid-stride.

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2009, 11:07:48 AM »
If you go back about three pages you will see a post about ball speed generation that has some good recommendations to increase ball speed.


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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2009, 11:45:52 AM »
Simple solution to a complex problem, throw it harder. Problem solved. Jk, you just have to find out what works for you keep practicing.

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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2009, 12:15:06 PM »
I've struggled at times getting the speed up. I went from 12 mph to almost 17. I raised the ball in the start of the swing "I start with the ball at my shoulder". Rather than push the ball away, I let the ball just fall into the backswing. I have done this for a while since recovering from elbow troubles. Hope this helps.
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2009, 12:50:44 PM »
Stroke hit the nail on the head.  Start with the ball higher during your setup before you even take the first step.  Make sure you let your ball swing your arm as opposed to the arm swinging the ball. Another thing to consider is dropping down a pound in weight if times call for it.  Start with the setup first.  This should help a little bit.
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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2009, 12:59:04 PM »
All the prior posts are correct from speeding up the feet to holding the ball higher which makes the arm swing "longer" generating more speed.  Something additional to share that worked for me because I had a shoulder injury is I have two 10 lbs weights on a dumbell bar and I arm curl that throughout the day and evening when I am just sitting around relaxing.  You would be surprised how many reps you can get in with that in your spare time.  You arm is stronger and the ball "feels" lighter to you over the passing of time.  I have increased the weight on it now to 30 lbs and when I had my injury I threw about mid 14 mph and could get it up to 16 or so.  After some conditioning I have increased my speed to the mid 16 low 17 mph and can get it up to about 19 mph if need be and it just makes your arm stronger and less fatigued as the night goes on.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2009, 08:32:47 PM »
Neptune66,

   I might be going at this the wrong way. Listening to your post I heard the problem is early reaction that you get with slower speed. Perhaps you should polish your equipment or "ball down" go to mid level balls.

   On the other side, I recently changed my grip... instantly i can get the ball off my hand which LOOSENED my armswing and my ball speed went up almost 2mph (and also increased my rev rate). I am 49 and over the past 2 years my speed was slowing down and facing nearly exactly the same issue as you stated. For me, I was averaging 220+ but was spinning the ball off my hand with no real direction. As some advise from someone who has spent 2 years dealing with your situation, GET WEAKER equipment now, it is easier to face weak 10 pins that to be frustrated by early hook EVERY NIGHT. Through the nose, through the nose, through the nose when you think you threw it good. But read on...

   For me, I think when I was younger (presumably stronger and more flexible) I think I was able to throw it harder and pry the ball off my hand better. Now that I am older (and presumably not as strong or flexable) I think I needed a grip change (more reverse in the thumb and away in the fingers). And because the improvement was instanteanous with looser armswing and extention, rev rate increase, improved ball speed and accuracy down lane... I am now believing that our hand changes as we get older and we need more help to get out of the ball. Since this change, I have have averaged over 243 for 45 games which is eactly where I was 5 yeas ago.

   Do not believe things stay the same... bowling changes, our body changes, its simply about managing the energy loss of the bowling ball as it goes down lane. If you get early hook... too much ball... simple.
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Neptune66

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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2009, 09:05:25 PM »
Been away all day, but I did read all the posts, and some I have tried in the past and had some success with. I just don't stick with them the next session, because I still believe (or WANT to) that my speed is still there, but that I just need to rediscover whatever mechanics I screwed up after my injury.

Also... because my quadriceps muscle is still a little stiff/sore when I start, I tend to hold back and not deliver the ball with as much force as would normally be natural for me. I am babying or nursing myself for fear that I will pull a muscle or aggravate the one that is still not 100%.

I HAVE found that after about 4 or 5 games, that I feel warmed up or just more confident that there's nothing to fear.... OR... I am so disgusted with the weak ball roll, that I start to throw harder (normal for me), and I am my old self again (or should I say "younger" self?).

So... it's partly a mental thing, cause I CAN still get the speed on the ball after a few games. But I don't have time to get to the lanes to practice ahead of time these days, and I am not aware of any leagues that are 8-10 games a night, with the first 4-5 not counting.

Maybe I should have reworded my question to:

How can I get myself to throw the ball with enough speed and confidence from the start, without needing to wait 4-5 games. Part of the answer would be to immediately hold the ball higher, etc.. ----before I get aggravated with the slow ball results.  Instead...what I have been trying to do the last few months is to adjust my game to the lower speed.

What happens is after 4 or 5 games I say screw this, and no longer care about whether I damage myself.

There has to be a happy medium between accepting the slower speed, and re-injuring myself.

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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2009, 11:51:50 PM »
After re-reading my last post, I realize it sounded more like a rant. Was being bugged by the wife to get off the computer and pay her some attention, and in trying to finish my post, I kind of went down a more whiney tangent.

What I''m looking for is some technique whereby I can add or regain some speed at the start of a match, not several games later.

Holding the ball higher and other suggestions (or reminders) ARE exactly what I was looking for.  In fact, today I went to the lanes, and after a rough start, finally lengthened my backswing just a bit, and that seemed to help a lot with the speed.  Was between 17.1 and 19.5 mph after increasing the backswing.

Only problem is that I didn''t change the backswing until after bowling 6 crummy games with little or no pop on the ball. I want to speed up my initial ball speed in games 1,2, and 3.

Edited on 11/27/2009 0:54 AM

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Re: ways to increase speed ?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2009, 08:03:14 AM »
Loochy and absolutebowling, thank you both.

I am not even 100% sure it is the quadriceps that is the center of the remaining pain/discomfort. Went to sports orthopoedic doctor a year ago, after injuring it during excessive bowling sessions in very sort span of time on extremely dry lanes. Had never had any leg problems before in all the thousands of games bowled over time, but did a through job of screwing it up this time.

Since then, also saw a chiropracter, and while the pain is definitely down to only about 15-20% of what it originally was, and is now confined to either the quadricep or that area, at one point it was radiating to all sorts of places on my leg. I wouldn't have known where to put a brace back then, but now I could certainly try a brace. I never noticed they made one for the upper thigh.

Oh... I probably never mentioned that I am right handed and that it's my right leg that is the problem.  Had always thought the left leg of sole importance because you finish on it, but learned over the last year that the right leg's push provides strength and speed.  I believe I have been compensating by using my arm/shoulder to provide the speed when the leg was more sore, and am trying to get away from that bad habit.

I don't think I am delivering the ball the way absolutebowling describes----at least not until later in the match ....either on purpose or by accident---- and this is probably what I need to work on.

Thank you.