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Definiton of a "clean game"??
« on: November 21, 2009, 09:12:42 AM »
Is it 10 clean frames and count?
If you strike on the 10th shot, and leave pins on the 11th - do you need to pick up your spare to keep clean?

This topic came up the other night in league.
Opinions, please.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2009, 10:45:22 AM »
The only reason for the 11 and 12th frames are to complete the 10th frame. You marked in the 10th if you spare? no that would be the 11th. The entire tenth frame is a combination of all the possible positions.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2009, 10:48:35 AM »
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As far as I'm concerned the game is clean if I mark in frames 1 - 10.  After the spare or first strike in the 10th the next ball(s) don't matter.  X81 in the 10th is still clean.  --  JohnP


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We run a 30 clean pot on my Thursday league.  If you get a mark in the 10th, that is considered clean.  You could go X - - and that would still be considered clean.
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+1 as well....anything I see is 30 Clean, Nationals has a 30 clean pot, not a 36 clean pot. Plus read the rules, the game is 10 frames long, so any mark in the 10th frame means you bowled a clean game, a mark in every frame.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2009, 11:03:27 AM »
a clean game is a 'PG'.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2009, 11:06:12 AM »
No such thing as a PG... I have had 30+ of them and would never ever admit that anyone of them were without some LUCK. Perfect... never.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2009, 11:15:09 AM »
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No such thing as a PG... I have had 30+ of them and would never ever admit that anyone of them were without some LUCK. Perfect... never.




not to get philosophical, but some handicap lgs. I've been in give out prizes for most PG's at the end of the year. so something must exist.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 04:28:29 AM »
Its been mentioned before but Ill ad my clarification too:

The 10th and 11th must be filled and the 12th can be anything as long as the entire 10th was filled....

9/9 or 9/x or x9/ and so forth

Thats how we do it when we run stay clean pots.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 07:00:30 AM »
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Its been mentioned before but Ill ad my clarification too:

The 10th and 11th must be filled and the 12th can be anything as long as the entire 10th was filled....

9/9 or 9/x or x9/ and so forth

Thats how we do it when we run stay clean pots.



BBU, in your examples, you contradicted your statement. Your example of 9/9, only the 10th was filled, not the 11th. In the case of x/ you have filled the 10th frame, and you get one bonus ball, which would be the 11th, not the 12th. The only time you get to the 12th would be if you XX in the 10th and 11th. This why most people and every tournament that I have ever seen that has one, run a "30" clean pot.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2009, 11:01:33 AM »
2a. Definition
 
A game of American tenpins consists of ten frames. A player delivers two balls in each of the first nine frames unless a strike is scored. In the 10th frame, a player delivers three balls if a strike or spare is scored. Every frame must be completed by each player bowling in regular order.

The above definition comes straight out of the USBC rule book.  As you can see, a game is defined as having 10 frames, not twelve.  Therefore, at best, a bowler is only allowed to have 10 clean frames per game.  

So 30 clean is the best you can do...and yes that does mean you could strike in the 10th, and then not fill ten during the bonus balls (some may refer to that as an "open").

So unless someone wishes to re-define the USBC rule book, I think this issue can be considered closed.

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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2009, 11:08:22 AM »
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2a. Definition
 
A game of American tenpins consists of ten frames. A player delivers two balls in each of the first nine frames unless a strike is scored. In the 10th frame, a player delivers three balls if a strike or spare is scored. Every frame must be completed by each player bowling in regular order.

The above definition comes straight out of the USBC rule book.  As you can see, a game is defined as having 10 frames, not twelve.  Therefore, at best, a bowler is only allowed to have 10 clean frames per game.  

So 30 clean is the best you can do...and yes that does mean you could strike in the 10th, and then not fill ten during the bonus balls (some may refer to that as an "open").

So unless someone wishes to re-define the USBC rule book, I think this issue can be considered closed.




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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2009, 02:00:37 PM »
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Its been mentioned before but Ill ad my clarification too:

The 10th and 11th must be filled and the 12th can be anything as long as the entire 10th was filled....

9/9 or 9/x or x9/ and so forth

Thats how we do it when we run stay clean pots.



BBU, in your examples, you contradicted your statement. Your example of 9/9, only the 10th was filled, not the 11th. In the case of x/ you have filled the 10th frame, and you get one bonus ball, which would be the 11th, not the 12th. The only time you get to the 12th would be if you XX in the 10th and 11th. This why most people and every tournament that I have ever seen that has one, run a "30" clean pot.
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True, but you knew what I meant. Ive bowled both. Tournaments Ive competed in did have the 30 clean pot as well as all of our leagues that run clean pots allows you to mark in the tenth frame as long as the frame was filled, but not by means of a strike in the first count then open. If a strike was thrown then count, it must be converted....

thanks eaglehunter for the rule posting....

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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2009, 09:12:12 AM »
A clean game is a game with a strike or a spare in each frame.

If in the tenth you go X81 it still fits the bill because you still have a strike or a spare in that frame as well.

Where everybody''s thinking is not right is that they''re thinking of an eleventh and twelfth frame which, of course, do not exist.
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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2009, 03:31:43 PM »
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As far as I'm concerned the game is clean if I mark in frames 1 - 10.  After the spare or first strike in the 10th the next ball(s) don't matter.  X81 in the 10th is still clean.  --  JohnP

agreed

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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2009, 06:22:39 AM »
Yes, when I went 90 clean in Huntsville in 1997 I did have a 10th frame (game 1 of doubles) where I struck, then went 8-0 (can't even remember which pins I left now!) when I switched balls to throw a strike shot and did not knock down the remaining pins from my 11th shot.

It is called 30 CLEAN for a reason -- by USBC definition (as others have noted) a game of bowling has only 10 frames.  If you get a strike and two gutters or two strikes and a gutter IT STILL IS A CLEAN 10TH FRAME!

Anyone who uses different rules is not using official USBC rules.

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Re: Definiton of a "clean game"??
« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2009, 06:26:11 AM »
I still have the scoresheets from Huntsville and would be happy to fax them to anyone who wants the proof.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN 11th OR 12TH FRAME IN BOWLING!!!!!!!