Author Topic: problems with bowling arsenal (Read 1937 times)

josinella300 · « **on:** May 02, 2007, 01:20:41 PM »

I need to build a better arsenal. My initial choice of balls was based on what the ball could do verses matching the ball to my style of bowling. I made some measurements (on my favorite ball) to see if I could find my PAP. After making my measurements, I went to the lanes to see how close I was. I did pretty good. I learned a lot from watching my ball with the tape on the PAP. I have a high axis of rotation, high axis tilt, medium revs and speed: I am a semi-roller. One thing that I noticed is that my breakpoint is a lot closer to the pins than I thought. I looked at the layout on my ball and noticed that the pin and cg are stacked in the grip centerline. I'm I right in assuming that on medium lane conditions, this layout is not conducive to the down and in shot that I am looking for. Is this why it appears to me that this ball just goes straight, when I feel that I am coming out of it great? Should I stick with lower rg balls? Why does my ball driller keep putting the pin above my fingers with the cg in the center gripline? I don't need the extra length help, but I do need backend on the medium and heavy conditions. Am I on track here?

CoachLefty · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2007, 02:42:25 PM »

this one better handled by someone smarter than i. heres a bump for ya
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josinella300 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2007, 04:10:35 PM »

Jason, I have a Fuze Eliminator that has been redrilled twice. The pin and cg are stacked with the pin about 1" below the ring finger. I have a 3" pin placement. The Fuze I have to play deep, it needs head oil. It turns the corner and hits okay but seems to be too much surface for the shot (not much energy in the pocket). I tried a light polish on this ball but it then goes too long. I like the reaction I get with this ball, but I have to tweak the surface of it everytime I use it. With todays technology, isn't there something a little easier on the body to use?

triggerman · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2007, 04:29:26 PM »

low load particle with a low pin translates to an early start, i can see why you need head oil for it and playing deep keeps you in the oil longer, sounds to me like a little burn up, polishing this particle ball (depending on polish) is probably just clogging the pores up on the ball, I would look at a true surface adjustment via trizact pads or abralon pads, bringing the ball up to 1000 or so without polish.

I would venture a solid reactive ball would fit you better in this slot, there are so many choices, are you partial to one brand? if so we can help pin down a ball in that line up, if not partial we can still name off a bunch of balls that will fit this area
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josinella300 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2007, 04:52:25 PM »

Triggerman: thanks for the response! Yes, my Fuze feels off my hand like it is putting on brakes going down the lane. When I polish it even lightly, it's like bowling on ice, it comes up behind the headpin. I don't know which manufacturer is best, but I'll give you my experience. I have never thrown Hammer, Lane #1 or Morich. Ebonite's balls tend to roll up too early for me (V2 strong, matrix tps3). Columbia300 not really good experiences, I had two of theirs that was dead in the pocket (Icon). Storm LaNina worked great, El Nino 2K didn't nor the Big Hit for the dry. I loved my Track Magic Hex. I also love my Columbia300 Messenger TI black gold pearl. I think it is setup wrong. The pin is above my finger with the cg at mid grip. It just goes straight if I can't find dry. I think if I changed the layout it would be great. Hex and Messenger were easy to throw and versatile the first year or two. I seem to do well with mid-performance balls that hit hard in the back and don't read up front when rolling (do you know what I mean?). For heavy oil, I watched Doug Kent throw the Black Widow (I think that would do for heavy oil). I also like Tracks Power Machine for heavy oil (not so highend, polished, versatile). But the medium oil balls you need at least two and there are so many to choose from. Oh, by the way, I do know how to change my hand position to work the ball, boy did I ever have to learn this with the stuff I've been throwing.

Draxond300 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2007, 12:37:34 AM »

Black Widow would be an option. It's extremely versatile.

I'd wait until after the new releases come out to start attempting to revamp your arsenal. After hearing some of the stuff that's in the works for upcoming release, I'm drooling.

Since you like the down and in shot, you're pretty much looking for a solid reactive for your heavy oil, a weaker solid and a pearl for your mediums, and a very weak pearl for dry. Having a solid particle in there somewhere would be good to have even if you only pull it out for a game every once in a while. Since you're a tournament bowler, you understand some of the messy conditions that can be thrown out there.

As far as company preferences, that's no biggie. I agree that Ebonite's stuff is quite rolly at times, depending on the drilling. Also, I'm not a big fan of their coverstocks...as strong as they are, they're ultra high maintenance. I'd be iffy on Columbia/Track after the buyout...I heard from a driller (don't yell at me if this is wrong) that Ebonite was going to start doing the cores with C300 covers. If this is true, Columbia's stuff is going to go the way of Ebonite's as far as the rolly-ness. Storm is good, especially their newer stuff. Brunswick is always somewhere to look. Hammer would be tempting, with the Black Widow and any of the Raw Hammer line. Lane #1 is worse than Ebonite with the rolly cores, and strong covers. Morich is tempting (that's where I'm looking next), but they don't really have anything to cover the really dry stuff.

Consider Roto Grip, L/LM, and Visionary as well...all of them are excellent companies.
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DerHornen · « **Reply #6 on:** May 04, 2007, 08:33:31 AM »

I've had problems with Brunswick stuff before. Their stuff is very early rolling in my hand, although that has been a plus for my Strike Zone since I use it for heavy oil.

I agree with Drax, check out Hammer, Brunswick, L/LM, Visionary, or Storm/Roto Grip. There aren't any bad balls by any of those companies, you just have to figure out what fits your game.

josinella300 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 04, 2007, 05:01:24 PM »

Thanks guys for all your help! (Hey, is there something going on with Track's website. I can't get to it.) When will the new balls be coming out? I have started a list heavy to dry, short vs flat/long oil patterns, based on coverstock, rg and diff. I put my old balls in this list and I realize that I have a major whole in my arsenal. Another question is pinout. I have found that I do better with a 3 -4 inch pinout. I guess I can mess with layout after I get my balls lined up.

Again, thanks too all who responded. You all were really helpful!!!

josinella300 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2007, 07:45:52 AM »

Yep, I have been doing exactly that. I used to be very spinnish (track about 3inches or more from the finger/thumb holes). Now I am about 2inches from the fingers and 7/8 inch from the thumb. This is about as close as I can get without inverting my hand (throwing backup). It's just the nature of my release. I am now a semi, not a spinner. I bowled with Pete Weber about 4 years ago who suggested I change my release.
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Weaser · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2007, 08:28:16 AM »

I have similar prob with a PAP of 4-1/2 over. My "old" driller punched most evertyhing pin over & scuffed the snot out of it for oil. Needless to say I went through alot of balls trying to find the right reaction because the ball did not read the midlane or burned up when the operator was not smart enough to see the heads go away. I have gone exclusively to Track & have revamped my drilling direction thanks to Carl & Rick. Heavy is pin under at 3-1/2 from PAP (surface), medium is pin under/in ring at 4 (compound), & light is 4-1/2 pin over (polished). Hope this helps some.
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josinella300 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 08, 2007, 07:42:36 AM »

Yes, Weaser you are right on. I had to seek the help of another driller because all my balls were drilled with the light drilling. Ths driller thought that I could tweak the shot by changing hand positions. I have had a lot of practice with three different hand positions which is a valuable tool, but hard to repeat especially bowling long sets. Afterall, I am trying to simplify my game. I, like you, had to find out the hard way about differences in layouts.
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