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Coolerman

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Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« on: April 18, 2010, 05:41:35 AM »
....does  this mean to you ?
 
 With so much talk going on these days, about putting  some integrity back in bowling.
What does that mean to you.And what do you want the USBC to do to put "The Integrity"
back in bowling?
 
 At this point is it even possible.Are we past the tipping point.Is the equipment
that we have, going  keep  dictating  the lane patterns that center owners keep
putting down.Are the owners of the centers going to dictate what equipment that
the companies are going to keep producing.

  What are you thoughts on this vast subject.There are so many things to ponder.

 This is not my opinion. These are just questions that I'm asking that pertain to
this situation.

 

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Re: Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2010, 03:14:29 PM »
Integrity ... as defined by www.dictionary.com - adherence to moral and ethical principles soundness of moral character honesty.

With that definition I would argue that bowling today does not adhere to moral and ethical principles, moral character or honesty. Bowling today is about cheating, finding all possible ways to take advantage of scoring. Whereby, in the "day" scoring was not simply "given" to us (by oil patterens, ball technology and pins) as it is today.

IS THERE ANY QUESTION that today, BALLS GIVE US MORE HITTING POWER? THAT PINS TOPPEL EASIER? THAT PATTERNS PRODUCE MORE MISTAKE ROOM? NO, NO and NO there is NOT any question. That alone suggests that in comparison to the "day" we are cheating or being dishonest if not to ourselves then at least to those who bowled before us.

The only way to turn bowling into a sport is to eliminate the importance of, patterns, ball techonolgy and pins to emphasize the ability of the bowler. Just like in the "day" the bowlers style matched up and produced the best bowler. It should be about the skill of executing a predefined set of skills.

I will argue the golf analogy is not correct. Sure, Golf clubs hit them farther today and provide a minimal correction to errands shots, but the course are the same. Its still about the skill of managing the course with execution. Imagine a funnel to the hole on the green with fairways twice as wide and golf clubs that could not only hit them longer but eliminate 10 degrees of error in direction. Now you are talking about the difference between bowling and golf. The essence of the game of golf is preserved. Not in bowling... without the correct ball in your hand you cant win.

The bowling industry is like a child... only 100 years old under ABC/USBC and can not police itself because it has not defined yet what it is trying to preserve. Just because the industry can find ways to help bowlers score should it? Is that cheating? Does that deminish integrity?

It is easy for all of todays bowlers to see that we are competing with each other and that the scoring pace does not matter because it is fair today, only today. Tomorow as scores rise (artifically due to environmental improvements) they will also be compared to scores of that day just as scores of yesterday were compared to yesterday. And that is a form of integrity for the moment. But what about accomplishments? Should they not be preserved and respected? Allie Brandt 886 without a 300 game in 1939 using two holes in the ball, or the Budwisers 3858. Now both records are not only broken but nearly daily with the scoring engine given too us. That is NOT integrity.

It used to be a real accomplishment to shoot 300. A once ina lifetime accomplishment. Less than 100 a year with more sanctioned bowlers in the 50's. Today there are bowlers approaching 100 of them. Does that say anything about integrity? (even in the now).

Bill Taylor spent his life trying to preach "integrity". No one listened. Soon, there will be bowlers in every association that will have 900's and soon after there will be someone in every league. High averages now in the 260's. There will not be enough pins left before we have nothing left to bowl for.
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Re: Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2010, 03:21:15 PM »
Very well stated Pin-chaser.
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Re: Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2010, 05:37:44 PM »
Actually Pin Chaser your analogy on golf is misguided IMO.  My game has improved immensely with the newer drivers and irons that have been developed which do make golf much easier.  If you think I am wrong a good friend of mine golfed in college and even gave lessons to help pay his way.  15 years later he has given up his beloved blades for a new set of Ping Irons, not blades.  He does not play enough anymore to consistently hit blades.  You may also get fitted for clubs and tested for the golf balls that best fit your game.  These changes allow casual golfer like me and many others to shave anywhere from 5-10 strokes off of a round of 18 holes.  Look at what Phil Mickelson did to a lengthened Augusta course.  Went in and shot a 16 under the lowest score since Tiger shot a 16 under back in 2001.  Golf balls and golf clubs are definitely changing the game/sport of golf whether you agree or not.  I agree with the comments that while technology is changing bowling I do not agree that it has lost integrity.  I also agree with the comments that over the long haul the better bowlers rise to the top in the end.  

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Re: Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2010, 05:39:56 PM »
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I agree with the comments that while technology is changing bowling I do not agree that it has lost integrity. I also agree with the comments that over the long haul the better bowlers rise to the top in the end.


True and well said.

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Re: Putting the "integrity back" in bowling, what........
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2010, 06:42:59 PM »
This is a post of mine by Paul Kreins. It does fit into the topic
on bowling integrity ,and what things can be done to help the sport of bowling.

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=257383&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5