My girlfriends dad is looking for a new ball. He would like something that hooks a little more than his Maroon hammer(newer one with a core) and has a nice strong arc/snappy backend, and mid-priced. He throws the ball about 17 to 20 mph, lower to med revs and usually plays the 2nd arrow. I looked around and I thought one of these 2 could be a good choice, anyone have any feed back on these 2 balls or if someone else has a better idea please tell me. Thanks