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ksucat

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Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« on: September 17, 2013, 12:01:37 PM »
I started a new league that's on fresh typical house shot.  I'm finding that I'm moving my eyes in before I move my feet left.  The lanes start out wet/dry, but then break down into something that can get ugly.  Miss right goes through face, miss left leaves washout.  Not ideal when someone else is whacking them.

I'm just a tweener, so fudgeknucking in the dirt or boomer bowling from deep inside doesn't fit very well.

Anyone else tighten up their line on the THS when they breakdown?  My problem so far has been some inconsistent carry.  My small adjustments for weak 10's leave 4's and 9's.

 

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2013, 12:23:00 PM »
I just started bowling a house shot again last week. I noticed after a game and a half th lanes became toast to the right. I am going to try tonight to use weaker stuff (breeze, urethane) and stay to the right. I can move left and let it fly but with all of the carry down, and the fact that it becomes more like work, I am going to try to move right and use WAY WEAKER STUFF.
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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2013, 01:01:34 PM »
House shots can be tough on a tweener, especially carry.  I have had some luck using really tame stuff, even urethane to stay a little more direct from outside 10

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2013, 01:15:49 PM »
Sounds like a top-hat pattern.  From very wet 10-10 to very dry outside 10.  I found it best to use a dry lane ball and stay outside the 10.
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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2013, 01:40:17 PM »
This sounds exactly like the troubles I was having in my leagues last year. I don't play deep inside well so that was more or less out. I tried weaker reactives (Roto Scream) but still had little success with carry and maintaining a decent line for more than a few shots. I ended up picking up a Storm Natural and I'm so glad I did. I can stand right and throw right over 10 and crush the pocket all day long. I have a fair amount of miss room inside but just have to make sure not to miss right or miss fast as the ball will come in light and leave buckets. Haven't seen a ton of corner pins like I was initially concerned about either. What I love most about urethane when the lanes get like this is that it pretty much takes the pattern out of the picture. My moves are small and simple and when the backends start flying with reactive equipment, I'm pretty much unphased. When my teammates start throwing splits and washouts and struggle to keep the pocket, I never even move with the natural. Much easier to pick up an occasional single pin than get caught up in that mess.
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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2013, 04:42:40 PM »
When a good bowlers lives in Wichita and says somebody is whacking them, that means they are averaging 240.  So all that urethane advise is great if you want to average 210.  You can survive with urethane, but you won't be competitive with it unless your left handed.

If there is enough oil to miss left and washout then you need to go the other direction.  Stronger balls with stronger layouts.  They will blend out the over/under better.

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 08:11:17 PM »
It will depend on the surface and how bad the wet/dry is, but I've found that using a ball such as my Outlaw which is drilled to roll heavy in the back has been a good solution.  Basically this gives me something that will clear the front but will be smooth going downlane.  By avoiding skid/snap and going for a smooth motion, it helps to blend out wet/dry in a lot of cases.
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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2013, 09:12:44 PM »
When a good bowlers lives in Wichita and says somebody is whacking them, that means they are averaging 240.  So all that urethane advise is great if you want to average 210.  You can survive with urethane, but you won't be competitive with it unless your left handed.

If there is enough oil to miss left and washout then you need to go the other direction.  Stronger balls with stronger layouts.  They will blend out the over/under better.

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2013, 07:35:34 AM »
I try to use something drilled pin down to get into roll early and also have a little surface to damn down any of the wet/dry reaction.  Northface you are correct in saying that a lot of people think that shiny and high rg balls will work, but in reality it actually makes the wet/dry reaction even worse. 
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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2013, 08:20:43 AM »
I loved my Sonic x solid pin down fairly dull(say 1500)and 4 inch pin to pap for the first and second game last year and then as if blended out I moved left with symmetric pearls and played the typical lefty shot quite straight up 9 10.

We suffer from the same out of bounds issues later late game 2 and  as the Prodigy carries down and leaves a big hang spot at 40 feet outside of 8. 

The Sonic X solid drilled pin down and strong started sets off nicer!  I think todays similar ball is the Motiv Ascent or the Rotogrip Shout.

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 09:03:52 AM »
Try a symmetrical with a stronger solid  cover. I would drill it with a 4 to 5 inch pin to pap and adjust the cover to play it when I wanted to. Start at 500/2000 and go from there. No polish unless you need to see a sharper move off the dry.

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2013, 11:14:27 AM »
Your style and rev rate dictate how to best attack a wet dry house shot.  Tweeners have the toughest time because they still hook the ball, but typically with lower revs and ball speed.  Carry is usually the biggest problem.  Play too far into the dry and you get roll out and a ton of soft 10's.  Get a board too deep and loop the ball just a bit and you get half pocket 7-10. 

If you are strictly a league bowler and don't play tourneys on flatter patterns the best option is to change your game, either learning to rev it up more, or learning to go straighter up the dry.  If you are a tournament bowler take the bad carry, average 215, and go make money in tournaments.   I have had at least two seasons where I averaged higher in sport leagues than on a house shot.  The reason is totally carry.  sport patterns force you ( or let you in my case ) to play more direct whether the shot plays out or in.  More direct equates to better carry from any angle when you don't have a boat load of revs.   

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 12:02:48 PM »
What a great and descriptive post Bob.

Just had a had rev high speed straighty show me and many in our house how to do it.

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2013, 12:27:07 PM »
I feel much better knowing some of our very knowledgeable members also struggle with the THS at times.  So far, I've tried pin-up Omen staying in the wet more than the dry.  Scoring has just been inconsistent due to carry.  Only 4 weeks in and I have high-low differential of 140 pins in series.  Not my style as I'm normally the guy who's steady every week.

The left-right wet/dry confuses me more than anything.  I'm never quite sure if I threw it that bad or I'm playing the lanes wrong.

Being in Wichita, we have some crazy good bowlers.  So yeah, somebody is always whacking them.  The bowlers I really respect seem to believe that you just whack them when it's good and suffer when it's bad.  Guess I just need a few more years for me to learn to accept the bad weeks.

I did bowl a sport league on a different pattern each week over the summer and was excited everytime I broke 600. 

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Re: Wet/dry house shot adjustments
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2013, 12:32:36 PM »
ksucat are you bowling the swiss trios in a few weeks>?  I will be there for that tournament there in Wichita.
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