Author Topic: What a JOKE of a Tournament (Read 1984 times)

hotwire13 · « **on:** July 24, 2004, 10:11:01 AM »

we had our new jersey invitational today for the junior bowlers tour at Holiday Bowl in Oakland, NJ. keep in mind, i finished 2nd in the tournament last year, and was at +246 after the 6 qualifying games while the cut was around +70. i averaged 241 for the tournament and finished 2nd. the lanes were not difficult at all.

this year, same place, same lanes, EVEN EASIER OIL PATTERN! saying it was a carry contest would be a complete understatement. after two games, the leader was at +154!!! to make it worse, this was a kid that NEVER made cuts at tournaments during the regular season! after 5 games, the leader was at +254, while the cut was at +125. i finished at +110, left 5 pocket 7-10's and 2 4-9 splits in the 9th frames of games i finsihed in the 220's. i watched shots turn from 4-6-7-10's into strikes, and saw more trip-4's than ive ever seen in my life.

for a tournament that gives out double season points, i would have thought things could have been a little tougher. even last year was sort of a joke, but at least last year the top 3 bowlers all finished in the top 5. today, if you could hit the 2nd arrow with any sort of revs, you struck...and if you got bad breaks and only shot 225 like me, you missed the cut.

what does a tournament like this prove?
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DP3 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2004, 03:25:54 AM »

IMO, it proves that it's time to go adult and skip the JBT stuff. That's the main reason I went up to ABC. Youth leagues were doing nothing for my game, bowling JBTs weekly on walls up and down the east coast only proves that whoever plays the most lane with the most power wins week in and week out. By bowling on those soft conditions, there's no emphasis put on spare making and making quality shots. I got tired of flagging cuts by 10-20 pins most tournaments due to a few bad carries or a missed spare or two while every tournament there was 5+ 279+ games. Go ABC or look for harder conditions, or just go out and dominate on the soft patterns. Those are your only choices.

BTW who won out of Jersey?
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hotwire13 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2004, 01:14:09 PM »

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IMO, it proves that it's time to go adult and skip the JBT stuff. That's the main reason I went up to ABC. Youth leagues were doing nothing for my game, bowling JBTs weekly on walls up and down the east coast only proves that whoever plays the most lane with the most power wins week in and week out. By bowling on those soft conditions, there's no emphasis put on spare making and making quality shots. I got tired of flagging cuts by 10-20 pins most tournaments due to a few bad carries or a missed spare or two while every tournament there was 5+ 279+ games. Go ABC or look for harder conditions, or just go out and dominate on the soft patterns. Those are your only choices.

BTW who won out of Jersey?
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i have no idea who won the tourney yesterday, as there wer kids that made it that never make cuts EVER. i know that mike wodzinski was in the lead in points, followed by me and mark haughwout(spell?)...i struggled the past 2 tournaments and fell back a little bit, and yesterday was an absolute joke. DP3, the funny part of this whole thing is that yesterday was by far the easiest shot of the season. we did bowl on some pretty tough shots, including parkway and lodi lanes(cut was -30 or worse both times at each house), eagle rock lanes(usually very low cuts), and carolier put down a tougher condition, where i finshed +40 and was in 3rd after qualifying. the shots werent easy this year, and only a few were true THS, but yesterday was ridiculous considering the same place last year yielded scoring that was half as high as yesterday. and like i said, LAST YEAR was easy too.
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MetalGod666 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2004, 01:29:12 PM »

It's funny that for a while, I regretted jumping to ABC at 15. For a while, I had a friend that bowled in basically all the JBTs in our area and laughed at how so many people struggled to bowl on the walls that are put out for them. They all try to act like they have the slightest clue how to bowl because they can score on the wall shots. The only pattern that was the least bit challenging that I've seen in a JBT was a "modified" sport shot. It wasn't even a true sport pattern and they even managed to make that pretty simple. If you're smart and want real competition, join ABC as soon as you can. JBTs are nothing but a waste of time and seeing who can score best on walled shots doesn't prove anything. The real bowlers can score on tough shots. Who can swing the ball the farthest is all JBTs are since basically everyone tries to do nothing but crank the living daylights out of the ball and most of them still can't hit an area with all the room they have. Put them out on a true sport shot where you might have 2 to maybe 3 boards at the most to work with and see what happens.

hotwire13 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2004, 01:42:38 PM »

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It's funny that for a while, I regretted jumping to ABC at 15. For a while, I had a friend that bowled in basically all the JBTs in our area and laughed at how so many people struggled to bowl on the walls that are put out for them. They all try to act like they have the slightest clue how to bowl because they can score on the wall shots. The only pattern that was the least bit challenging that I've seen in a JBT was a "modified" sport shot. It wasn't even a true sport pattern and they even managed to make that pretty simple. If you're smart and want real competition, join ABC as soon as you can. JBTs are nothing but a waste of time and seeing who can score best on walled shots doesn't prove anything. The real bowlers can score on tough shots. Who can swing the ball the farthest is all JBTs are since basically everyone tries to do nothing but crank the living daylights out of the ball and most of them still can't hit an area with all the room they have. Put them out on a true sport shot where you might have 2 to maybe 3 boards at the most to work with and see what happens.

you might want to rephrase your comments, because as much as you may be right about SOME of the shots put down at jbt's, you are wrong about some of the competition. some of those kids, including myself, have bowled on sport shots and tougher conditions, and were very successful. the walls only increase the # of bowlers who can put up high scores, allowing kids who arent really as good to all of a sudden jump up and win. i have seen PLENTY of mens tournaments walled up even worse than the JBT's that are walled, so ABC isnt perfect either. FYI, i will be going mens this fall.
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Strider · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2004, 03:33:45 PM »

That's the problem with a carry contest. If you're on that day you do well. If you don't match up as well, you go double, spare, strike, spare, which doesn't get you far. Last year, you took advantage, this year you could not. Sorry, but I don't see much to complain about.
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boytoy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2004, 04:24:27 PM »

To me it sounds like typical bowling around here.
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hotwire13 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2004, 06:31:50 PM »

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That's the problem with a carry contest. If you're on that day you do well. If you don't match up as well, you go double, spare, strike, spare, which doesn't get you far. Last year, you took advantage, this year you could not. Sorry, but I don't see much to complain about.
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complain?...im not complaining...i was disappointed with the conditions for what was supposed to be an "invitational" tournament, but looked more like the everyday mens league with 300's and 800's being shot all over the place. i bet anyone else would be upset as well, unless you are one of the ones that never bowls such high scores and is able to actually benefit from the ridiculous condition...they might have well given us 4 tries each frame to get a strike, and added in no-tap as well. you wouldnt have been able to tell the difference in the scores.
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