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thirtyclean

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Legality of a ball in league play - Question
« on: January 12, 2012, 12:19:53 AM »
Was bowling in league last night and a guy shot 300 against us with a Storm Frantic. Being a ball driller for over 10 years, I always like looking at the rack and seing the different drillings, especially when I like the way the ball is rolling for a bowler. I looked at the drilling, and the CG was maybe a 1/2 inch away from the bowlers ring finger (RH) and the pin was maybe 2 inches above the ring, and the weight hole was basically pushing that CG I believe in to it being illegal. Now, I understand there is mislabeling and very low top weights on some balls. Have any of you ball drillers ever called out a bowler in league or questioned a drilling in league play. Does anyone even care unless something is noticed. Another question, can you question or call out a bowler in league competition. Is it even worth the trouble. I know CG is not supposed to matter as much, but unless you are in a tournament, balls are not checked for leaglity anymore. I mentioned it to the league secretary, he kind of chuckled, but nothing came of it. I was wondering if anyone ever ran into a similar situation. 


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Re: Legality of a ball in league play - Question
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2012, 06:31:27 AM »
I do agree that the USBC rules are a complete joke.  I have been called out twice recently for throwing "illegal" equipment. 

 

#1.   Just last year had to remove my Ebonite Pinnacle which is around 18 years old from play because someone remembered that they were notorious for punching up too low on the durometer.    Sure enough, it punched up only a 69, but it's a friggin' PLASTIC BALL for pete's sake.   I was using it for spares only at the time, so you can't possibly say that I had an unfair advantage over someone else in hooking ability.

 

#2.  I bought a Detonator from Danny Wiseman awhile back and was throwing it well on dry lanes.   This one I was forced to remove from play as well because the ball was privately poured and therefore not on the approved ball list.   However, it should be grandfathered in because it was made sometime in the mid 80's and is only of 3-piece construction and a urethane shell.   BUT, it violates current USBC rules because it doesn't have a MANUFACTURER'S LOGO somewhere on it.    USBC said it was up to my league officials to decide whether I could use the ball or not.    Jerk's said "no" to me, but they do allow others to throw their super high tech hook monsters.   

 

This crap on top of being held responsible for league funds that MY TEAMMATE had stolen, I will never bowl in a USBC sanctioned tournament or league again.    (The league held the entire team responsible for missing money, even though it was clear that the dirty work was done by only ONE person.)

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Re: Legality of a ball in league play - Question
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2012, 08:00:19 AM »
It is often hard to tell by visual inspection if a ball is out of compliance of static weights. The only solution is to weigh the ball. In a league setting it probably isn't worth the effort in my estimation.

 


The rules are not a joke but the bowlers/proshops who refuse to abide by them are.

 


The USBC/ABC has always relied on compliance by drillers to adhere to static weight rules. But today with so many scoffing at the rules and many drillers not even owning a scale it is little wonder so many balls are out of compliance.

 


No one wants to have to submit a ball for weighting before using in sanctioned competition. With the proliferation of honor scores an association would have very busy nights going around to different centers and certifying weights.


I will admit the training and skills of the weight room at nationals is suspect.

 


And if statics don't matter then balance all your balls with 0 finger and 0 side and there will be no question at nationals.



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Re: Legality of a ball in league play - Question
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2012, 10:09:02 PM »
I have a Roto Grip Cell with the cg directly under the ring and the pin 3 inches over the bridge. Visually it looks illegal but we drilled the fingers all the way to the center of the ball to make it legal. I have thrown an honors score with it and had a great qualifying round at an event and both times an opponent called me on it. Both times they just went to the man in charge (league president and tournament director respectively) and complained. He had it weighed out by the proshop and we moved on. Personally, I wouldn't care if it was slightly illegal; you have to be throwing the ball incredibly well for a 300 no matter what.

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