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xrayjay

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What are your options with conditions like this......???
« on: June 12, 2014, 01:04:01 AM »
when the heads are gone and carry down presents itself, I get lost real bad. How do you deal with this situation? What surface do you suggest?

I rarely see carry down this often, but the house had switched to ICE conditioner for their lanes. I'm not sure if this is the part of the reason why I'm seeing carry down lately.....And if this is the case, I better prepare myself for it in winter leagues.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 09:37:12 AM »
Are you sure you're playing the correct part of the lane in this situation?  Also, how has this pattern been attacked in practice and early play (are they broken down correctly is what I'm asking)?

Sometimes the pattern will dictate you play a completely different zone on the lane.

Going directly up 4-5 / playing the track / playing 3rd - 4th arrow all will, at times, be a soft spot in the pattern OR have ZERO look. 
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 09:55:23 AM »
The key is to not try to open up the back ends.  I know I sound like a broken record preaching end over end roll with less axis rotation, but you have to find a way to play more direct through the heads on tougher conditions.  I have seen guys have success playing direct outside, or almost a fall back inside on this type of condition. 
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 11:03:58 AM »
Quote from: avabob on June 12, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
The key is to not try to open up the back ends.  I know I sound like a broken record preaching end over end roll with less axis rotation, but you have to find a way to play more direct through the heads on tougher conditions.  I have seen guys have success playing direct outside, or almost a fall back inside on this type of condition. 

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Keep everything simple. The more you try to manipulate reaction the crazier it can get.  Pick a release you can repeat and adjust your line to that.  2000 - 3000 surface can help too depending on your speed and just how bad the heads are torched.

Adjust your mindset from trying to score huge, to staying out of trouble on the first ball and making your spares.  The score (in relation to those on your pair) should take care of itself.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 11:14:53 AM »
Be aware that at time in the summer many houses change their stripping and oiling procedures, meaning they will strip and oil less often. Also if there is a large amount of open play in the summer that can affect the pattern as well even if they are stripping and oiling for your league.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 11:34:52 AM »
Also, they might be learning how to use the new oil. As far as equipment goes, something low flare, sanded with the lines being parallel to the initial track, and play the G.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 12:24:14 PM »
First, I must add....the pair I bowled on were not equal. Right lane was fresh, untouched since the walker came by. The left lane was used for a kids party......AND!! they didn't oil the house from one end to the other. They only oil certain sections of the house. I guess they are still testing patterns.?  It looked like the left lane wasn't oiled or cleaned since the day before.

The best look I had for the left lane only was playing out, end over end, and a bit of a loft. But even then it was touchy. Very little room for error. (I had a (2000 oob) pearl ball on hand that day.) Giving the pocket away left me splits and buckets - o/u reaction. I threw the ball just inside the track and even straight up 10 to 10 to see the difference. It was night and day.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 12:27:07 PM »
When conditions get brutal like that, I tend to go to urethane. As long as the scoring pace is low for everyone, then you can grind out a win with a urethane ball.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 12:53:32 PM »
I got rid of all my urethanes (went up in weight) and I have plans on getting another....

what do you all suggest?
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 12:58:03 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on June 12, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
I got rid of all my urethanes (went up in weight) and I have plans on getting another....

what do you all suggest?

Since the Storm Natural is no longer available, I would get the new Pitch Black. It really looks like a winner.

The Motiv Tank is a nice piece as well.

You can still find the Blue Hammer(Urethane with the Vibe core) for really good prices.

If you can find one, the old Pink Hammer is an awesome ball.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 01:20:57 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on June 12, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on June 12, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
I got rid of all my urethanes (went up in weight) and I have plans on getting another....

what do you all suggest?

Since the Storm Natural is no longer available, I would get the new Pitch Black. It really looks like a winner.

The Motiv Tank is a nice piece as well.

You can still find the Blue Hammer(Urethane with the Vibe core) for really good prices.

If you can find one, the old Pink Hammer is an awesome ball.

I've been out of the loop for awhile, so please excuse me for the stupid question..

Are these new urethane the same cover/make up as the older generation?

I loved the Natural that I had to get two of them lol..... The pitch black?? got to look into that. or even the blue....
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 01:30:38 PM »
Some are, some are not. The Tank isn't what I would call the Old School urethane reaction. The original Natural seemed to be close, but the Natural Pearl and Super Natural were not at all.

The new version of the Blue Hammer is reasonable and it can be had for well under $100.

I've seen the Pitch Black being used and loved how rolly(is that a word?) and predictable it was.
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2014, 01:50:09 PM »
Rolly is for sushi Mr. Milo!! ;)
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 10:34:06 AM »
I used a natural for my spare ball, and as a trouble pattern strike ball for 3 years.  Recently replaced it with the new blue hammer, and like it even better.  Urethane is not a cure all for tough conditions, and is VERY condition specific.  You have to understand that it is not as simple as finding a ball that doesn't hook too much. Urethane will still hook, but will stop hitting very quickly if you have to hook it too much.  Urethane is only valuable if it allows you to play direct on a hooking condition.  As a low rev end over end guy I often use it on broken down or very wet dry house shots where I can tighten my line down and play between 6 and 9 board.  I will also use it on very short patterns, but I have to be careful because if the heads are flooded carrydown can be tricky.   
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Re: What are your options with conditions like this......???
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 04:52:32 PM »
My first move will be way right.  Throw it right up 3-5 and see what happens.  Very few people ever play out there (of course if it's like too many THS's there's no oil out there to start with) so the head oil is usually untouched and you stay outside of the carry down.

Are you really sure there is carry down?  Modern balls suck up so much of the head oil so quickly that often that's your only problem.  The ball is so out of energy that it has nothing left for the break point.  It's very easy to mistake a ball that's completely burned up for one that skids at the break point from addition oil carried down lane.  With earlier resin balls carry down was a big problem.  With the more recent ball and oil formulations it rarely is.  If you're allowed, especially if you're on an end pair, walk down by the pins and look back towards the foul line.  If you see a bunch of "dots" of oil after the end of the pattern near the break point it's carry down.  The other tell tale sign of carry down is the ball "wiggling" near the break point.  It will hook, then go straight (almost look like back right for a right hander) for a few feet before hooking again.  If you don't see the double motion near the break point, it's not carry down.
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