win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: What does it take to be a great bowler?  (Read 1259 times)

Reality Check

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
What does it take to be a great bowler?
« on: October 09, 2009, 09:11:50 AM »
We were discussing today about what it takes to be a great bowler with a group of our junior bowlers today. They have been watching PBA bowling on Eurosport, and have their opinions formed by what they have seen on their. In terms of being a great bowler (and I suppose by being a great bowler, I mean a PBA bowler first and foremost), what do you believe it takes? The following were things put forward by the kids, and I wondered if the posters on here could offer some comment on these 'statements' by the kids?

1. You have to put lots of revs on the ball, otherwise you cant score.
2. You have to bowl fast
3. you cant bowl with anything lighter than a 15lb ball
4. you dont need to be accurate (dont ask, I dont quite see where they got that one)
5. You cant bowl with a sanded ball

Any thoughts or theories or examples to disprove these at a pro level would be great, as we are using discussion of the pros as a way of helping educate the kids on the various style and forms in bowling.

Many Thanks in advance
--------------------
Reality Is.......Working out how to carry the 10, only to start leaving the 7.
Reality Is.......Working out how to carry the 10, only to start leaving the 7.

 

Spartan

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 475
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 05:40:34 PM »
1: Show them videos of players like Norm Duke, Walter Ray Williams, Parker Bohn, Richard Wolfe, or even Paul Moore, and many others. Plenty of exempt players employ stroker styles, and look at all the titles they've racked up.

2: The pros can generate the higher speeds because of how good their execution is. I've seen plenty of thin guys/girls generate plenty of speed through good technique. That being said, their speed comes naturally, as in, they don't try to throw hard- it just happens. Also, excessive ball speed is just as bad as too slow of ball speed. It's all about matching the speed to your line and revs.

3: Yes, it is true that nearly all, if not all, pros today use 15-16lb equipment. But that ties in with #2: They throw the heavier weights partly to counter-act their ball speed(and even the weight sometimes isn't enough.) And yes, it's obvious that the heavier balls carry better than lighter weights. But from my point of view, a 14lb ball carries just as well as 15 or 16lb equipment.

4: The absolute best thing to do is to lay out a PBA pattern one day for the kids. You can download the patterns off of bowl.com. After a few games of bowling on those shots, the accuracy misconception will be wiped out. I'd put money on it.

5: By the time the pros get into their actual TV matches, the lanes have been broken down a decent bit, forcing them to use a shiny surface. Also,some pros break down the lanes in practice with a sanded ball to create a hook spot to bank off of, a la Norm Duke. And I've seen tons of examples of pros throwing Virtual Gravity's, Cell's, and other similar strong, dull balls. Finding a televised example of one should be relatively easy.

Hope this helps, and best of luck.


--------------------
Formerly Chocolate Milk.

Reality Check

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 05:50:45 PM »
Thanks Spartan, this is exactly the sort of input I was after. I just want to be able to show examples to these kids that even if they never gain the size to throw a 15 or 16, they could still be champions and still be competitive. Thanks, and look forward to many more responses please!
--------------------
Reality Is.......Working out how to carry the 10, only to start leaving the 7.
Reality Is.......Working out how to carry the 10, only to start leaving the 7.

ebo4life

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 212
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 06:07:19 PM »
One thing you can do Reality Check is show vids that are available on youtube of Brunswick world team challenge tournaments---the majority of the time they put out EXTREMELY difficult shots and forced bowlers to rely on a) repetition b) spare shooting and c) positive input from teammates
--------------------
Ebonite born---Ebonite bred-----if they sell out I'll be Ebonite dead

Buzzhead

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2002
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2009, 09:35:41 PM »
this will be only for the older members of this site time wize but all you need to know about greatness can be taught by the great TBU!!!!!!!LOL
--------------------
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!
FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

Proud MEMBER of the FOS!!
Member of the FOS, if there happens to be a 9 pin standing just toss a saw and cut it down~~!

Jay

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1312
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2009, 01:56:18 AM »
1. False.  My definition of lots of revs is probably 400-450 RPM and up.  The guys that make shows all the time don't all have that much.  As mentioned, Walter Ray, Norm Duke, Parker Bohn, etc are the guys to be mentioned.  Maybe Brad Angelo and most likely Steve Jaros as well.  I believe the lowest rev rate on tour would be something around 275 RPM.  I'm not too sure how someone with 200 RPM or less would do against the rest of the field.

2. In a way, yes.  It's all about matching up though.  I think the slowest speed anyone on tour throws is 17-18 MPH.  I can say that at least for the telecasts anyways.  That's fairly fast compared to average league bowlers.  I think most of the time it's necessary to throw as fast as they do so they can play straighter.  Sometimes they need it just to match up with the high revs.

3. Unless otherwise proven, I guess I have to consider that true.  I don't know anyone on the Exempt tour using less than 15lb.  I know there's some senior tour bowlers throwing 14lb.  I do think one can be good using 14lb, but just maybe the extra pound(or two) is the difference between carrying enough to make it on tour and sticking to local tournaments or possibly regionals.

4. False.  Sometimes you're able to open up the lane and give yourself some room but I don't believe anyone would have more than 3 boards at the arrows to still hit the pocket.  There is a reason people don't score as high on the tougher conditions as on house shots, in general.

5. Mostly if all they're watching is finals, that would be true a lot of the time.  The conditions on telecasts are broken down a good amount so it's common for them to need something a little shiny to get the ball to react well enough.  There are times where dull balls have been used though.  Since there's likely more oil present during qualifying, sanded balls are more appropriate, so this is definitely a misconception.
--------------------
Justin
Bowling Boards

Atochabsh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1467
Re: What does it take to be a great bowler?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2009, 06:41:54 AM »
I think if you are referring to kids/teenagers.  The best thing you can do is put them on a sport shot so they can experience the difference.  

And they have to realize that the great bowlers were not great overnight.  Many of the more contemporary PBA bowlers have been groomed since Jrs, through high school with Jr. Gold, and onto college programs.  Its not instant sucess.  Even though players like Rhino Page seem to make it so, its not.  He didn't have instant sucess, he's been in a bowling "program" (whatever stage) for years.  In other words, even at a fairly young age, he's been good for a while now.  So it starts at their age and they have to keep at it with desire, diligence and dedication (three Ds).  

Have them watch Hoop Dreams.  Its a documentary (and won a lot of awards) that I think sums up the process of getting into professional sports pretty well.  

Erin