Author Topic: What do you do if you can't throw two balls the same way? (Read 2057 times)

Chazman819 · « **on:** July 06, 2003, 09:43:21 PM »

Example, my Trauma ER I shoot better with it if my wrist isn't locked, but not completely broken, when I throw it like that, I am usually very good with it, good revs(ironically) and score well. When I try to lock my wrist though, ball rolls way to late, never throw it the same way twice.

My blue pulse does not work as well is my wrist isn't locked. When my wrist is lokced, the ball is great, still works after 6-7 years. But when I loosen my wrist up, again not completely broken, nothing.

Piranha, only thrown it three games, but noticing something similar to the Traumer Er, ball seems to work better with a semi broken wrist.

Red Pulse, works best if wrist is locked, but turned left a bit. Then ball gets into a good roll, I get a nice smooth arc. But any other hand position, forget it.

Is it normal to have to throw each ball a different way? I can understand being able to have different hand positions for the same ball, to get different reactions, but what about when each ball has to be held a different way?

Chaz
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Between unleashing the Piranha...checking to see if I have a Pulse..trying to be an Icon...ending up in the Trauma unit of the ER...checking to see if I have a 'fake' Pulse...it's amazing I have time to bowl.

Pinbuster · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2003, 01:16:49 PM »

Given the above information I would say that you are trying to make different balls react the same way. In other words you are changing your release to get the same look out of each ball.

Each ball has a unique shape of shot due to core and coverstock differences. By locking and un-locking your wrist you are adjusting your roll to make the balls do the same thing. I would think the trauma would rev up the earliest, then the piranha and then the pulse would be the most skid/flip.

To use the same release on all the balls would require you to change lines and/or wait for the lane condition that gives that ball the look you want.

9andaWiggle · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2003, 01:17:02 PM »

I've never experienced what you are describing. My game is not everly complex (I only have 3 releases I'm comfortable with), but each release works similarly with each ball. Not sure, but maybe there are inconsistencies in your release that makes the ball appear to be inconsistent. I am assuming the drills (span, pitches, etc.) are the same, but if they are different for each ball, that could be where part of the problem lies. Hopefully someone who knows more can chime in with some more helpful info. Good luck!!

Another thought would be that maybe you're using the wrong release/ball for the given lane condition.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2003, 02:08:40 PM »

I agree with Bones and have also experienced this myself. The cause was almost always in the thumb and / or finger pitches being different from one ball to another more than span differences. Especially if different drillers drilled different balls for me.

Chazman819 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:02:36 PM »

all points are well taken, but I am not sure any of them are the answer. The last ball I had drilled was the piranha, and for every ball I have drilled I use my pearl pulse for measurements. Grips are the same, span, etc. At first my guy at the pro shop thought the grips were different, but they were the same. Pitches, everything the same.

The only reason I change hand positions with each ball is because if I use the same hold for each ball, the only one I would ever be able to do anything with is my pearl pulse. When I try to roll the ball like I do the pearl, using the same hand position, the Trauma ER, red pulse, and piranha are all very inconistent. The only reason I change the hand position is so I can have consistancy out of each ball.

When I throw the red pulse, with my hand turned left a little, that's when I get the same roll as the pearl one(which I get without turning the hand a little left), with the earlier hook which I expect compared to the pearl.

I have hit a wall with my spares anyway, may be a new time to start from scratch..
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Between unleashing the Piranha...checking to see if I have a Pulse..trying to be an Icon...ending up in the Trauma unit of the ER...checking to see if I have a 'fake' Pulse...it's amazing I have time to bowl.

livespive · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:26:27 PM »

"When I throw the red pulse, with my hand turned left a little, that's when I get the same roll as the pearl one(which I get without turning the hand a little left), with the earlier hook which I expect compared to the pearl."

I would have to agree with pinbuster.
and as you stated above you get the same reaction from the two balls if you throw one a little different.

From what i have heard, and seen from my team mate, the ER is an agressive ball. My temmate doesn't have a lot of hand but the ball hooks good for him, kind of like you explained. the pulse is a weaker ball than the ER which is why you have to cup your wrist in order to get the same results. The balls you have are for different shot, but it sounds like you are trying to pay the same shot with each ball on the same condition. Eventhough the balls are not completely condition specific ie SCB, schorcher etc, they are each made to play a different type of shot. the ER is more of a skid flip, while the pulses are more of an arc.

Once you find the right condition for each ball, then you would be able to switch balls and not have to switch hand positions as the lanes change. But the real fun is being able to throw the same ball over and over, and make changes in your hand position to make the ball do what you want.

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Chazman819 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:34:42 PM »

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From what i have heard, and seen from my team mate, the ER is an agressive ball. My temmate doesn't have a lot of hand but the ball hooks good for him, kind of like you explained. the pulse is a weaker ball than the ER which is why you have to cup your wrist in order to get the same results. The balls you have are for different shot, but it sounds like you are trying to pay the same shot with each ball on the same condition. Eventhough the balls are not completely condition specific ie SCB, schorcher etc, they are each made to play a different type of shot. the ER is more of a skid flip, while the pulses are more of an arc.

Once you find the right condition for each ball, then you would be able to switch balls and not have to switch hand positions as the lanes change. But the real fun is being able to throw the same ball over and over, and make changes in your hand position to make the ball do what you want.

Ok...I think I follow you on that, and now what Pinbuster said makes more sense to me also. I guess I never really thought of it that way, but going over it in my head now, I do see how I think I am trying to get the same reaction.

So just use a one hand position, and if the ball works on the given lane at the time, then it's the right time to use that ball...as opposed to trying a different ball, with a different hand position, only to get almost the same reaction...right?

Chaz
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Between unleashing the Piranha...checking to see if I have a Pulse..trying to be an Icon...ending up in the Trauma unit of the ER...checking to see if I have a 'fake' Pulse...it's amazing I have time to bowl.

livespive · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:49:58 PM »

Here is what I usually do

Let's call your hand positions A,B, and C (A being your primary hand position.)

when I goto league or a tournament, I throw each one of the strike balls that I brought with me (typically two) with my A hand position, and I watch the reaction of each ball. this tells me the type of condition that is out there. Once I deside which of the two balls I am throwing I I put the other one up. I then start to bowl with my A hand position.. As the night goes on, I will change hand positions as the lanes change.

when there is no shadow bowling and you can only throw two balls per lane. I take my benchmark ball (My A ball) and use the A position, and throw two balls. this will tell me if I need to grab a stronger ball or a weaker ball. Then I reat the same process throwing the one ball and changing hand positions as the night goes on (Even at the 10 pin).

It's all in the wrist

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MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2003, 03:55:44 PM »

And to add to what Livespive said, you can also finetune each hand position by using Ron C's Tip #11 - Finger Dancing.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

Chazman819 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2003, 04:02:52 PM »

Ok, I guess I always assumed that if I threw a ball with the same exact hand position every time, I would get the exact roll, not taking into account pin placement, cg, pap..etc....ok...got it now I think. Just have to keep telling myself that if the ball isn't working on a specific condition with the hand position I am at, it just means it's not the right condition for that hand position and ball, and doesn't mean that I am throwing it wrong.

You have all been very informative, and helpful, thanks!

Chaz
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Between unleashing the Piranha...checking to see if I have a Pulse..trying to be an Icon...ending up in the Trauma unit of the ER...checking to see if I have a 'fake' Pulse...it's amazing I have time to bowl.

livespive · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2003, 04:08:24 PM »

Anytime.
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