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SrKegler

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Why Bowl Take 2
« on: April 22, 2005, 03:15:34 PM »
We got a lot of excellent reasons in the original post.  Thanks for all the input.

My worry is bowling participation, at least at an organized level is going to continue to decline.  As some of you older members may recall, I've been harping about the scoring explosion for years, have sent numerous complaints/suggestions to ABC, all for naught.

Just look at some of the posts here on the site.  Rev-o-lutions has an outstanding average.  What's the first assumption, he must be bowling on a wall.  He's shot 9 800s this year, instead of congratulations he is accused of shooting on the easiest shot possible.

This is not an isolated incedent.  I see it in almost every house I've been in over the last few years and believe me, I've hit a lot of houses.

What really worries me is the lack of respect shown for the honor scores and high averages.  It seems they just come too easily.

Bear in mind, if you shoot back to back 300s, you still have to hit a 200 the third game to get that elusive 800.

Somehow, we really need to get some respect back into the bowling game.  I'm just at a loss on how anymore.

I don't know how many of the older bowlers I've ran across that are undecided about bowling next year, myself included.  

There just seems to be fewer and fewer reasons to commit to 9 months of an activity with no visible rewards at the end of it.


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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 09:26:26 AM »
Sawbones – Sorry I disagree. A flinger who can’t hit a 5-board area does not deserve to shoot a 300 just as much as a bowler who can hit his spot every time. Not in my book anyway.

These following observations are on the normal house conditions not PBA type conditions.

The big difference in the eras is what you generally had to earn your scores in the past. While there has always been the rare gifted bowler but most everyone had to put in their dues to achieve success and they had to continue to put in their dues to stay there. The top bowlers had to practice, had to bowl tournaments, had to bowl pot games in order to hone their skills.

In the past you seldom saw a 200 average bowler who didn’t look like a bowler when he was throwing the ball. You could spot them when you walked into the house. You seldom saw a bowler who could average 200 in a house and not be able to shoot 500 on another condition, but you see that all the time today. Averages were transportable from house to house but not today.  

In the past the game held a delicate balance of power, finesse, and accuracy. Today the game is mostly about power. Higher ball speeds, higher friction balls, higher revolution releases and higher friction lane surfaces.  

If this sounds like a bitter old man who can’t keep up any more it is not. My all time league high average jumped this year by 10 pins to 234. My travel league average was raised 5 pins.

This is from a beat up old guy who hasn’t thrown a practice game in two years due to injuries. I don’t throw the ball nearly as well as I did 10 years ago but I average a lot more. I couldn’t average 190 if I were put back on 1970’s conditions.  

Does it seem like a funeral parlor? Well yes it does to me because I see what I use to think was a grand sport dieing. There can be pockets of growth but the numbers don’t lie and the USBC/ABC/WIBC numbers decline every year at a 7 to 10 percent clip.

I’m about done on this site as well as it has gone away from serious bowling discussion to topics of how many Brooklyn strikes do you throw. I see meaty topics get little response and fluff get hundreds. This just illustrates how bowlers themselves have trivialized the sport.  

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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 12:57:59 PM »
Sawbones - Yes I would cheapen the birdie if you double the size of the hole. It changes the basic nature of the game. Would you feel the same about shooting 59 under those conditions? I bet they would shoot one every other week and someone would shoot considerably lower because it changes a basic skill needed to play the game.

You played fast pitch softball hitting the ball of a good pitcher was a challenge. Should we consider the number of hits and home runs hit in a slow pitch softball game in the same light?

Hose plays tennis. Would it be the same game if they lowered the net to 2 feet? Any player could then get a 140mph serve in. Doesn’t that cheapen the players who good do it before with the higher net? Doesn’t that take away from ground strokes? How about the ability to return a serve? It would change the basic nature of the game to where it would be all about power in the serve.  

Today’s bowlers are simply exploiting the environment given them and I do this as well. But so when many are producing huge scores and averages it has to remove the luster off those scores.

We, the bowling community, are the cause of this. We migrate to houses with higher scoring environments. In the past we sued the ABC when they denied an honor score, so they bowed to the will of the membership and made blocking lanes legal. We loved out soft rubber lt-48’s and wanted more hook, so they let more and more high friction balls into the market. We liked to see messengers flying, so they went to lighter pins, double voids, plastic coatings.  

I believe we look longingly back at the peak of a fad in bowling and think it should stay that way but I believe it was probably an aberration. Sports have risen and fallen over time, baseball, tennis, golf, basketball, etc have all had peaks and valleys. A lot of bowling’s problems is that society has moved on and left it behind.

But to change the sport to the lowest common denominator is not the answer. Nothing worth obtaining is simply given and it has gotten to the point were they are virtually giving honor scores away.


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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2005, 02:48:23 PM »
As many of you know, I have been struggling with the exceptance of what this game has become. This year I did an experient that ruined my outlook on this game. I simply moved left, increased my rev rate, drilled up balls to match the condition and I was averaging 240 after 6 weeks and quit entirely. The previous year, I broke my bowling thumb in novemeber and never missed a week... I have to redrill all my equipement so that I could hold the ball for three games and I took lots of pain pills and still averaged in the 220's.

Perhaps I am an old man, with my best bowling years behind me and I simply want to have my cake and eat it to by desiring this game have integrity that the skills I developed are the primary factors. I guess only years from now looking back to this time will I know.

But I will tell you this, I love the competition and friendships that competition creates. The respect that the "good" bowlers had for each other developed over competitions is all gone. By that I mean, most bowlers in a tournament have a decent chance to win today despite there skills or experience. If a bowler matches up for 3-4-5 games in todays conditions its anyones game. There is not much respect when bowlers of clearly lessor skills who happen to have the correct ball in there hand consistantly win... when different bowlers win who do this in most events. For the bowlers of the skills to repeat, it is a joke and for the ones that win they think it is a joke to. The difference is between these jokes is that for the "skilled" its like why bother trying to beat our heads against the wall, and for the winner he is praising his new equipement and laughing that he just bought it and it gave him area and carry.

This is why I cant find a reason to bowl again. I used to love this sport (in the 80's) as I was honing some skill. Now, all i have to do, is drill up equipment, rev it up, move my feet left on THS and close my eyes... and using 5+ boards at my break point and hitting solidly in the pocket shot and shot. Sometimes I carry, sometimes I dont. And I take my turn at winning brackets and pots. If someone else has a better carry night or creats more area, its there night. It comes down to the bowling gods favoring people every night. And I simply cannot accept that.

Why bother bowling under those circumstances?


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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2005, 03:37:51 PM »
I know everyone wants to blame High Scores for bowlings decline....But the facts state that according to ABC membership the decline started in the 70's before the High Scoring environment....In My area 6 out of 12 bowling centers closed in the 70's.....So if the decline started before High Scoring????...This suggests other reasons for bowlings decline.....

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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 03:48:28 PM »
All valid points.  I think the biggest problem is the loss of respect in todays game.  We have people on this board scoffing at Rev-Os average and the amount of honor scores he's thrown this year.  

The game isn't supposed obe this easy.  I wonder when a team will shoot 1500 team game.  Probably isn't too far off.  Where do we draw the line on equipment and scoring conditions.

What I can't understand is the higher average bowlers, who only represent about 1% of the bowling populations is the ones clamoring for a slow down in the scoring pace.  The majority of the rest of the bowlers wouldn't know if they were bowling on a harder pattern or not.  Ther're still only going to throw 3-4 good shot a game anyhow.

Without the prestige, the only reason to show up each week is to soacilize with friends.  We can meet in the bar a lot cheaper and not be distracted by bowling.


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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 12:55:46 AM »
There's one reason I continue to do it year after year.....I love to bowl!
   For me being the competitor I am, and not being able to play a lot of the sports I use to, when I picked up bowling 7 years ago, I found something I thoroughly enjoyed and could still remain competitive at. I love bowling at different houses on leagues and tourneys, using my skills to figure out the various oil patterns while keeping the mind sharp by overcoming the mental aspect. I don't see myself ever stopping until I get too old to lift a ball.

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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2005, 12:45:12 PM »
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I’m about done on this site as well as it has gone away from serious bowling discussion to topics of how many Brooklyn strikes do you throw. I see meaty topics get little response and fluff get hundreds. This just illustrates how bowlers themselves have trivialized the sport.


I think this was a very important topic in pinbuster's post that seems like alot of people overlooked.
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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 09:04:44 PM »
It might be getting ready to take a big drop soon as the baby boomers age.

I personally enjoy bowling for what it is.  I want to continue improving for my own betterment.

I think a big help would be to find a way to discourage sandbagging so that tournament entries start growing again.  Years ago, people bowled leagues as a reason to get ready for tournaments.  Since sandbagging has become so prominent, too many individuals and teams feel they have no chance to compete and stay home.  I really don't see how it's so hard to take all scores into account when it comes to tournaments.  If someone "averages" 170 in two leagues, and 210 in 8 tournaments, there should at least be a way to use a weighted average to come up with an average everyone could live with.  5 sandbaggers probably scare away another 100 entries.
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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2005, 09:35:51 PM »
The main reason the sport of bowling is declining is because it is not sexy. Kids/younger people (under 35) do not here bowling and go "that is such a fun sport." They see paintball games, lacrosse fields, and even golf as better activities to kill some time than bowling. Bowling is seen as a sport for the lower class, middle aged fat guy, with some old people thrown in.

I really don't know how to change this. Why do I bowl? I really have no idea. I'm still trying to figure out why I do it and why I started getting serious. I think the main reason for me is I like any sport without a team that you can play against yourself. I was the worst team player in baseball because I would always worry about whether I had gotten my 10 or more strikeouts that I aimed for every game. With bowling, you can do that and not hurt your team. Same idea in golf. I also like sports where it is one on one competition, I really can't stand relying on others to come through for me.
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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2005, 01:28:37 PM »
Funny, I dont see golfer commiting to 36 week seasons.. if they did have to i bet there would be ALOT less golfers. Same with lacross. As for baseball, there might be 36+ games, but they happen much faster than in 36 weeks.

If by sexy you mean easier to make commitment to, I agree with you. Bowling is certianly cheaper than golf (especially if you thrown in a cart rental). But none the less still expensive when you calulate the 36 weekly events.


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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 05:34:06 PM »
Despite my somewhat flippant reply to the original post (which did have a point, despite the sarcasm) the entire topic is one I take seriously.

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What really worries me is the lack of respect shown for the honor scores and high averages.  It seems they just come too easily.


Why, besides the blatantly obvious reasons, do we do so?  Time for some introspection.

When it comes to 300's, I must confess I'm jaded by my first experience with a 300 (I'll share the details if anyone is interested).  Even barring that first experience, over the years of non-inflated scores as well as the years since, it has become apparent that what we call a "perfect game" is simply a "perfect score" 99+% of the time.  As stated in an Ebonite ad, it is more of a reward (that entails "luck") than an achievement.

800's are a little different in that it requires better shotmaking over a longer number of frames.  "Luck" (lucky hits vs. unlucky hits) tends to balance out over a longer period of time and a bowler generally needs to successfully adjust more over the course of three games than a single game.

As others do, I believe that the number of 800's being thrown today is inflated by lane conditions and technology.  There is still more skill involved in throwing a 800 versus a 300 game.  As such, I respect those who have thrown 800 more than those who have shot 300.

The sheer number of 800s being thrown today versus, say, 10 years ago, is part of what lessens the accomplishment for us.  As something becomes more and more common, it becomes less and less impressive.  I believe this to be true for all bowlers.

Forgive my ego for a minute.  I'm an "advanced" tournament bowler.  As an "advanced" tournament bowler, I travel and bowl a large number of tournaments every year.  That entails a very wide variety of lane conditions and environments.  I know firsthand what a 700 series on a tough "sport" condition feels like and I know firsthand what a 700 on an easy "house" condition feels like.  While I don't intend to demean a 700 series on a "house" condition, I know by nature of comparison, just how easy it is.

I'm honestly happy for the house bowler who achieves a 700 or 800.  I wish that joy on every bowler who ever picks up a ball. What I don't like is that the price to be paid to achieve a 700 or 800 on a house shot is much smaller than it ever has been and continues to get smaller.  Call it my midwest work ethic and make fun of me all you like, but I was raised and firmly believe that you do not deserve the reward without the effort.

In the plastic (and as others have stated, rubber) era, you could still create "area", but the area was typically 2-3 boards not 8-15 boards at the breakpoint.  No, 15 boards is not a flippant exaggeration - any advanced tournament bowler who shot the BJI or 40-framer in Reno last year knows what I'm talking about.  Even if you could get 8-15 boards of area in that era, it was not every time you went to the lanes.  It took the effort and knowledge of bowlers working together to develop the pattern.

Finally, I'm irritated that ABC/USBC has no rules at all on lane conditions.  Some of you will read this and say "yes there is, the rules say....", but reconsider.  Even as little as 30 years ago, any honor score had to be confirmed by the local association and the lane conditions checked.  That does not happen today.  So for all intents and purposes, you can put out ANY condition you like.  The rule does not exist because the rule is not enforced.  What good is a law against murder if law enforcement authorities ignore any and all homicides?

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Re: Why Bowl Take 2
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2005, 06:09:12 PM »
Some recent observations

1)The house I bowl in(40 lanes) started offering all you can bowl for $5 a person from league end (9:30-10:00)to 12:30.
The house is filled with bowlers and they come an hour early to get a reservation so as not to be shut out.They run the gamut from serious bowlers coming in to practice or bowl pot games to young adults and teens having a good time.
The lights stay on but they do crank up the music loud enough to be clearly heard.It's a good time for all and the place is packed til 1:00.

2)I have been asked to bowl in no less than 6 sport condition summer leagues.When I inquire as to who is commited the only one with any interest is a four game,mandatory pot,one man team format.The roster reads like a whos who of older veterans and a surprising few bowlers under the age of 30.

I myself am having a very good time bowling pot games in the relaxed atmophere of the open bowling format.The 30 or so guys who have been partisapating have decided to contiue to meet one night a week thru the summer.

As for the sport condition I have no desire to shoe up with the same guys I've been bumping heads with for the last 20 years to prove I can score a tough condition.

I will bowl the summer sport tournament format that Scott offers in my state to keep up the illusion I still know what I'm doing.

The future for me appears to be late night pot games $5 bowling $20 pots and a trio league with my two sons to maintain a book average.We talked to the owner and he's willing to reoil after bowling if we field at least 30 bowlers.
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