Hi Srk,

First off, I've never heard of a 9th and 10th frame rolloff where you do a "frame erase".  It's supposed to be simply that, 9&10, if you throw all strikes, highest possible score would be 60.  Based on my experience, you should've won.

However, on page 37&38 of the rule book, it has guidelines for playoffs but that also refers to a team not an individual game.

This would lead me to believe that it would have to be written in your bi-laws somewhere to have a 9&10th frame roll-off but it should also be written that you do this so called "frame erase" also.  I don't agree with that at all, you're not supposed to take any scores previously shot and add to this.  I'd call ABC or check league bi-laws and protest this if needed.

Edit: Didn't we just say that on the other rule question, once a game is complete, the scores cannot be changed?  So by doing a frame erase, aren't you effectively "changing" the score as well?

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Rick Leong
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Edited on 3/28/2004 9:58 AM

This was a tournament, not league play.  Guy running the show says thats the way they've always done ties, they just rebowl the 9th and 10th frame.  I just can't find anyplace to show/prove to him how the 9/10 roll off score is counted.

This guy isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, he has to see it written and explained before he'll admit his method is wrong.


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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel

1st law of combat, "Bullets always have the right of way"

Try this website........
 www.bowl.com
 They have the rules posted there.
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Chris

I have NEVER heard such a thing!... 9th and 10th means 9th and 10th period! not 9th and 10th plus your previous frames, not 9th and 10th plus your average for each frame previous.... it means, how many pin you knock down in two frames period...any other interputation is some trying to cheat someone unles otherwise stated. And although there is not any rule of this in the ABC rule book, ABC would rule like I stated.
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Getting all the pins I can.

You didn't have a 9th & 10th frame roll-off, you had an 8th, 9th & 10th frame roll-off. There isn't any way to do this on the automatic scorer without putting 0's in the first eight frames.  We always do them by hand on a score sheet (if you can find one these days) or on a blank sheet of paper.
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Why change balls? I can miss my target with any of them!