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A_P_K

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same layout on various balls
« on: June 16, 2003, 06:02:34 PM »
As I get a better understanding each day on what different drills will do to equipment, I'd like to know if the same drill on various types of balls makes any sense?  Like using a 4 1/4"X 5" drill on a pearl resin, polished resin, or a light load particle??  With this basically looking for the same read just the ability to cover different conditions using the appropriate ball.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2003, 09:34:48 AM »
Brenton, your example of the Inferno and the Sonic X make sense, however, those 2 balls although both pearls, are in a TOTALLY different class.  That being said, I think DD (using common sense) could pick 3 balls for different conditions and use the same drill as he mentioned....like below.....

dd,
There are quite a few people who do that...it actually makes sense when you think about it.......let's use a drill and some balls for example.......

let's use your drill 4 1/4 x 5 ( label ) now let's use your example and pick some balls.......
pearl resin - Buzzsaw XL
polished resin-Inferno
light load particle-Eliminator ( I would have used your arsenal, but the SCB is a high load particle)

So to answer your question....sure it would work.

Find a drill that you love, then get a ball (cover/core) to match up against the conditions you're bowling on ........why not ?!?


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A_P_K

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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2003, 11:58:38 AM »
It does make sense to me also, but like others have said in particular, you wouldn't want to lay something like a Super Carbide or the Bomb like that.  I'm basically looking for a similar look on different conditions.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2003, 12:54:53 PM »
I think you have to look at it like this. If you want three balls to cover all lane conditions, you have to choose them based on certain facts.

can you change your axis rotation? speed? play more than one line?

You have an idea of layout. I will assume you have used it with success.
having completely different shells is a good idea.

you need to distinguish each ball from the other. You might want to impose a little flexibility in your schema. you can keep them all label. but move the pin around a little. maybe some thing like this

DRY: Pearl resin high polish pin above bridge
MED/Light: Solid resin (surface as needed) pin next to ring
Med/Heavy: Solid resin or particle pin under ring

For my example I use:
Dry: Pearl reactive( pearl blade) drilled 135 deg with pin above bridge(neg side wt)

Med/light: polished reactive(Blue gryphon) drill 25 with pin under ring( 1/4 finger 1/4 thumb)

med/heavy: Particle (Burgundy gryphon) drilled 45 deg with pin under ring w/1/2 thumb weight.

these all give me a med arc but at different Lengths. when used on there specific oil I can get a similar look from each ball. When used on the same lane they give me 3 different beakpoint Lengths. and different amounts of hook. If I'm limited to just 4 balls I would bring these 3 and a plastic.

If I can carry six, I add a 75 degree layout for medium oil( 4"pin to pap) to give me a different way of attacking the med lane conditions. if I can't find it with the Gryphons, for carry down etc. a bigger snapping ball let's me get deeper. since all my stuff is set for a medium hook. just about 2 to 3 inches of flair or less on the arcing equipement.

I have room for one more ball in my bag at this point. I try to bring something that is more of a control ball. or a true flood ball.

Just be sure that you pick 3 balls to there strengths and don't make a ball fit to just have the cool ball of the week.

pick wisely in regards to rg, diff,top weight and surface if you stick with the same layout.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2003, 01:07:17 PM »
Rags, the Sonic X Solid....YES...

You'd have to understand the core/cover combo of the ball and what you want to conquer.  You just couldn't take any 2 or 3 balls and do it, like Brenton pointed out earlier.  You'd have to have some knowledge of what you do, and the reaction you're looking for.
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A_P_K

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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2003, 01:20:37 PM »
I can vary my axis tilt on different conditions to get different reactions also.  The balls I've recently picked up are based on their specific lane condition....medium for medium, heavy for heavy, lighter for lighter and such.  Thanks for all your input.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2003, 04:09:49 PM »
That's what Ron Bahr does for nearly all of his, he puts the same layout on different balls, he picks balls based on the difference in core and coverstock rather than getting similar balls and drilling them differently.  I do the same thing, I know how they're basically going to react with the drilling, and once you find a favorite drilling, usually it's just coverstock you have to mess with to fine tune it instead of redrilling it if you don't like the pattern.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2003, 04:51:01 PM »
This is an interesting topic, so let me see if this follows. I am looking for a arcing reaction on my equipment, and am about to go back up to 15lb from 14 after injury. I have a trauma, ebonite tombstone, and a control zone. The trama is a medium condition ball (I believe), control zone is a light oil, and the tombstone is a heavy oil ball. What drilling pattern would I use to get the same reaction on each condition?
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2003, 05:34:57 PM »
Actually, all my equipment is drilled differently.  It's quite a headache trying to figure out what will work on what condition when lanes transition.  Since I'm relatively new to bowling "seriously", I still have adjustment issues.  With the new equipment I'm picking up, I'd like to see a similar read and know when to use a stronger ball or a weaker ball.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2003, 12:11:00 PM »
Great point Plus40, that's why I'm going to have my Super Carbide redrilled to accomdate a heavy oil shot only.  I'm not getting ten balls, but a few none the less.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2003, 12:19:55 PM »
Once again, let me make sure something is clear here.  One MUST do some type of research to make sure the choice fits the situation.  You just can't say ..... ball A, ball B, and ball C will work...you've also got to understand what conditions those balls are meant for, if they fit your game, and if they match the condition/situation you're trying to match.  If it's all done properly, I do believe it can work.
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Re: same layout on various balls
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2003, 12:31:00 PM »
I can honestly say I'm not a one dimensional bowler.  That's why I research my equipment before I buy them.  I can say however I suck at adjusting quick enough to keep making good shots.  (But am currently working hard to fix that)  If I've done my research correctly, I can never blame the ball, but only myself no matter how many balls I own.
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