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What happened to the down and in shot
« on: June 07, 2008, 01:45:37 AM »
I have been looking at alot of videos of different bowling balls and all I continue to see is out and back. What has happened to the down and in style? I know I can't be the only one left that still does this.

 

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 09:48:44 AM »
I play fairly straight on the PBA patterns. Usually if I am on a high friction  surface I camp out round 6-4 straight up (Viper and Chameleon) and I get what I can out there. Then I wait for the track area to blow wide open and move inside.

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 09:56:15 AM »
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I have been looking at alot of videos of different bowling balls and all I continue to see is out and back. What has happened to the down and in style? I know I can't be the only one left that still does this.


There's a combination of factors involved, near as I can tell.
1. Most houses are so dry outside to give the duffers the "Great Wall of China" to bounce ball off, that your average rev bowlers cannot play out there.

2. Most of the better bowlers who make these videos have true average revs and do not have high ball speed. They make the video on house blended wall shots so the average player can get a good idea how the ball will react for them.

Rare is the house whose outisde is not bone dry so most often only those with lower rev rate or fairly high ball speed can play straight up the outside. Otherwise, you can try a super mild ball or a urethane ball to practice an outside shot.

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 10:23:16 AM »
My prefered shot is down and in.  I have been working on being able to "project" the ball left (left hander) and letting it come back, but definitely not my A game.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 10:30:20 AM »
Nope, you're not. Still a heard of us here that use that shot. Call us 'rev challenged or as some of the 'big boys' would say, duffers/hacks, it really doesn't matter, we are alive and well.

I am old, don't have/use a video so nothing to post and probably wouldn't if I could. I am happy with the 'down and in' game but also working on a more swing shot for when I want/need it.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 10:37:46 AM »
i started off throwing a large hook and over time and alot of blown series taught myself to start of straiter and straiter now i prefer to play strait i like to play 10 up 5 it lets me see the transition faster and makes me have to play a more accurate line to the pocket along with less 10 pins the things i get a laugh out of is on 90% of the videos i see they have the ball drilled very aggresive not giving the view to the average bowler

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 11:33:24 AM »
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1. Most houses are so dry outside to give the duffers the "Great Wall of China" to bounce ball off, that your average rev bowlers cannot play out there.
The "Great Wall of China" has killed the "down & in" shot.

With the dryer outside boards and the stronger equipment of today, that combination has made the "out & back" bump shot off the dry the "best" scoring shot today.

Most bowlers wil play that shot and have tremendous "miss" room and still score high.  The down & in shot is not so forgiving.

That's why all the videos you see are using the "out & back" shot.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 12:38:24 PM »
I prefer to stand outside and play off the gutter.  However, that's basically impossible on a house shot.  There's just too much friction early.  I got lucky and we got more oil than usual in one house for a large chunk of the winter and I was able to play straight up the 7 board and just kill the pins.  However, now that summer's here, on the house shot I'm forced to move in and swing it since there's more friction out there again.  But come Thursday nights on the PBA Experience league, you'll find me camped out right on top of the 1st arrow all night.  

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2008, 01:04:59 PM »
The down and in shot works wonderfully for me lately.  As one THB used to the wall funneling bad shots, I was surprisingly successful playing straighter up the first arrow.

My summer league has quite a bit of carrydown inside of the six board, most of my equipment reacts over and under depending on my adjustments, making it very irritating.

Recently I picked up a RG Mercury and had it drilled to roll smooth.  Needless to say even with drier outsides I can use the Mercury in the dirt and not have to move at all as long as I don't over hit or turn it.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 01:08:41 PM »
i prefer playing inside, but our house shot is more for the down and in style.  i could play inside but i get typical THS over/under.  so i can either be average playing inside or shoot lights out playing down and in.

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 01:09:31 PM »
I play anything the lanes allow for the most part.  You will not see me starting up against or behind any ball returns.  I can swing the ball, but not like the rest....no thanks.

My A game is still a down and in with my belly hook and then my bigger swing shot being B games.  

As for the dry???  What dry??  I play no hand and more speed and that pretty much takes care of that issue.  If need be, I will move slightly left and still play an outside line though.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 01:13:55 PM »
WRW said that he plays straight because it makes the condition irrelevant. Granted he is not bowling on the THS, but the same premise applies. Straighter is always greater(the closes distance between to points is a straight line), just remember you don't need the stronger equipment.

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 01:36:13 PM »
have no fear you are not the only one still playing a down and in line. this is my "a" game and if given enough oil and/or the right ball i'll use it as long as possible. modern bowling balls help make this type of line as high scoring as any----maybe higher. the real key to playing this line is an end over end release. this keeps the ball on line with a subtle backend reaction.

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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 03:42:24 PM »
I was bashing the XXXL Starburst I had for a strike ball on a fresh house shot, but once I got used to it, I can throw it down and in and hit the pocket 100% of the time. The carry isn't 100%, but when it hits flush all 10 go down.

I was struggling last week playing deep with my resin stuff, and in the 8th, 9th and 10th frame of the last game I threw the XXXL and struck out. I'm going to throw all three games next week with it for fun. It's so controllable and less prone to error when I play it up the boards.
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Re: What happened to the down and in shot
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 10:40:24 AM »
The down and in shot was my "A-game" my entire life...until April, 2007, when I started suffering from a severe case of elbow tendonitis.  

With the elbow problem, I lost most of what little speed I had and began changing my release to help alleviate the pain I was feeling in my elbow.  All of a sudden, I was "rev" dominant and couldn't keep the ball left of the headpin when trying to play the down and in shot.  I have basically had to "re-learn" how to bowl on a different line due to these changes in my physical game.  And my average suffered tremendously with these changes as I wasn't able to practice bowling this "new line" due to the pain in my elbow.  

When the pain began to subside in March, 2008, after almost a year of suffering, I was able to practice on this "new" line and have become a better "overall" bolwer.  Now that the pain has gone away, I have the ability to play either the down and in shot or move inside with equal proficiency although I still do feel a twinge of pain from time to time in my elbow when playing the down and in shot.
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