Post by: ToiletLogCore on January 17, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
Was just browsing around some other forums and thought I'd share this topic with everyone.
Enjoy this fine food for thought on this lovely Tuesday morning:
You've just been handed a little TLC
Post by: ToiletLogCore on January 17, 2012, 09:11:06 AM
My biggest issue with this topic is the fact that this guy has the nerve to say how "inferior, he's not even in the same solar system" his opponent was. I'd like to know what this guy has done in his bowling career to warrant such a statement like this?
You've just been handed a little TLC
Post by: dizzyfugu on January 17, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Could the biggest issue with today's bowling simply be inflated egos?
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Post by: ToiletLogCore on January 17, 2012, 09:18:03 AM
If that's the question, I would certainly say a rant like this one is very close to the answer... lol!
You've just been handed a little TLC
Post by: Good Times Good Times on January 17, 2012, 09:19:19 AM
+1.
"Manginas" don't like bowling when conditions dictate 9/ is a good frame and 190-200 is a good score. The reason is because on these conditions "they are what they are", a 165 avg bowler.
GetOffMe10Pin
"Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right"
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Edited by Good Times Good Times on 1/17/2012 at 10:19 AM
Post by: HaterOfCGs on January 17, 2012, 09:29:55 AM
Brunsnick has nothing to do with this...
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 17, 2012, 09:30:29 AM
What a tool. Dizzy hit it right on the head. Inflated ego. Guy is complaining how he cant win on a house shot yet bragging about how good he is. Total T-O-O-L. I love how he mentions the most egotistical man in bowling, Mo Pinel. What is it Mo calls bowlers with not much hand, percyknucklefluffer or something like that. I get the feeling that anybody who hangs or bowls with Pinel is going to have trouble checking their ego at the door of the bowling center.
This guy is why I won't bowl on a THS even with a gun pointed at my head.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Edited by Sunshine n Lollipops on 1/17/2012 at 10:31 AM
Edited by Sunshine n Lollipops on 1/17/2012 at 10:35 AM
Post by: HaterOfCGs on January 17, 2012, 09:44:41 AM
"It makes me sick that I try so hard to be the best I can be and make the shots I need to make and get boned more often than I should. This establishment may lose me as a customer next year even after having the best team experience I've ever had."
Sounds to me like a bit of a baby, who doesnt know how to make the correct adjustments and likes to complain rather than figure out what could have been done to play the lanes correctly...
Quote:
How is it that a lesser skilled player can beat someone with more skill? Is it because they just naturally match up better with the condition that was there at the time?
In my opinion the shot that is put out right now (whether intentional or not) enhances the games of those who play too far right out of necessity and penalizes those that play left to right out of necessity.
Again, maybe a 1 trick pony...maybe someone who can only WHEEEEEL the ball...learn to move your feet and make better shots...
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 17, 2012, 09:59:05 AM
Yep.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: on January 17, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
If this has not happened to all of us we simply have not been bowling long enough. We don't necessarily need to brag about how good we are, but "every dog has his day". I have been beaten by people who I thought I should have outscored, and I have certainly beat guys who are better bowlers than I am, or will ever be. It's part of the game. Man up and accept it.
Regardless of the talent level and expertise of the bowlers involved, HIGH SCORE ALWAYS WINS! If your line to the pocket isn't working, then try another one or accept defeat graciously. Either way, accept defeat graciously, and look forward to the time you get to bowl that same guy again. Odds are probably in the favor of the better bowler the majority of the time, but "every dog still has his day." Good luck to all.
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 17, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Couldn't agree more, Lane. Somebody needs to tell this guy that it's "how many, not how". Guarantee you he never un-cups or un-cocks his wrist, never breaks his wrist back, never changes his hand position, never puts his mega uber-hook piece away. Just expects to be able to grip it and rip it on his THS carry contest.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: on January 17, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Tonight I get to bowl against a girl (20 something) who always gets at least one game off me. I try not to stress over it. She's a good bowler and I'm an old fart. Something's got to give, right?
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Post by: Nails on January 17, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
Believe it or not, proprietors cater to the masses. Most of us who post on bowling boards have pretty solid games. But the great majority of bowlers (you know, the ones who pay the bills) are fudge knucklers. Lots of dry outside of 10 to help them out.
What really gets me is that even though his team won the first half, he feels like the deck is stacked against him because a couple of dump and chuckers beat him on a given night. That big old wall didn't hurt him the first half... That's the problem with a lot of bowlers - they don't really want a fair shot that anyone has a chance to score on, they want a shot that fits their own game. Even if you worked hard on getting a good release and high rev rate, you should be able to tone it down when you need to.
Bowl on the PBA, Kegel, and Team USA patterns a lot and you'll notice one thing. On any given night and pattern, one type of ball roll has an advantage. And it's not as simple as short/light pattern favors the strokers and heavy/long favoring the crankers. The lane will tell you how the ball should be thrown to best score on any given night. It's our job to figure that out.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: NoseofRI on January 17, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
Wow, that is priceless.
As someone that bowls a decent amount of tournaments as well as PBA/Sport/and Challenge shot leagues, when I bowl on house patterns I take it for what it is. Scores in gerenal will be inflated. If I shoot 2-oh or sometimes even 220, I don't really expect to win many games.
Yes it can be frustrating, but I have chose to bowl on this wide open pattern as well. Then again, I also don't think of league as my "US Open" either, like some guys clearly do. So honestly, if it bothers you that much, when you chose to bowl on that condition in that league, you might want to reconsider what you bowl and what you bowl on.
Post by: bda300 on January 17, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
When I was younger I use to take bowling to serious. Since the birth of my kids and my life threatening illness I realized it's just a game. Something I get to do to have a little fun with friends. When I struggle I do get upset but it's with myself. On nights were the ball won't move I try to take a step and back and figure out what can I do differently. Once I quit being hard headed, I find it's usually a pretty simple adjustment. Most of the bowlers I see today want to throw it 100 mph and hook it a ton. They don't have a backup game. I may not throw it hard or hook it a lot but I can adjust when I need to, I can pick up speed or increase hook. I just have to remember what my game is and take what the lanes give me.
Post by: Good Times Good Times on January 17, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
Good material! 
We have "VG Nano at like 45 abralon" guy in our Thursday night league (a dry(er) shot, avg is..............wait for it............182.
GetOffMe10Pin
"Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right"
- Henry Ford
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Edited by Good Times Good Times on 1/17/2012 at 2:55 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 17, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
So the guy is also mad about people that play up the boards and he has to hook the ball? Most tournaments and many house shots have made it harder for me to play up the boards and usually when you can it is only for a game. As much as I don't like getting in to hook the ball I have to more and I'm getting better at it. But I know if the shot up the outside is there, Im going to put down some scores.
Bowling is a game of skill, and luck. Any day any time you can lose.
"1 of 1."
Post by: LoganS on January 17, 2012, 07:36:58 PM
Post by: batbowler on January 17, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
Didn't Tom Daughtery bowl a 100 against Mika's 299? How was Mika 199 pins better than another pro at the same time on the same lanes? Tom played the lanes different with a different ball and was leaving splits when Mika was striking!!!! It happens to the best in the world and that was at a major!!! Maybe the equipment megamav is using isn't matching up to the new or different oil pattern!!! I saw that he posted about a HookR and maybe it's to much ball to play the lanes they need to be played!!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Post by: tommyboy74 on January 17, 2012, 09:11:22 PM
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Track 919C: 3000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Ebonite Vital Energy: 4000 AB
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Track 919C: 3000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Ebonite Vital Energy: 4000 AB
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: Djarum on January 18, 2012, 08:28:23 AM
One of the things I think gets completly missed in the topic so far is that a better bowler, walking in to any tournament or league is at a disadvantage if the shot matches up to certain bowlers with less skill better. I run into this all the time. I think most bowlers run into this. Even sport shots don't fix the problem because some patterns cater to other style bowlers, regardless of skill or average. Thats just part of bowling. In league, if the shot is consistent from week to week, its easy to figure out how to score. In a tournament, getting one came behind and then chasing the changes will kill you.
As far as easy conditions, I see it locally here too. As long as any bowler can get the ball's breakpoint outside of 5 board, the ball funnels to the hole.
Post by: HaterOfCGs on January 18, 2012, 10:23:26 AM
Here is what he said....
Thank you everyone for your responses.
I am locking this topic, because its getting attention from an unsavory group of individuals who would rather make it personal than discuss the true heart of the topic.
Those remarks have been removed.
Time to shoe up again tonight and make the most of it.
-Eric
I am locking this topic, because its getting attention from an unsavory group of individuals who would rather make it personal than discuss the true heart of the topic.
Those remarks have been removed.
Time to shoe up again tonight and make the most of it.
-Eric
Edited by HaterOfCGs on 1/18/2012 at 11:31 AM
Post by: Jorge300 on January 18, 2012, 10:32:04 AM
My take on this guy is that he needs a slap upside his head!
Seriously, I consider myself a good bowler, I averaged about 230-235 on most house shots over the last 5-10 years. I would never, ever have the attitude that this megamav does. I have been beaten by lots of bowlers who were probably, overall, not as good as me. Was I mad at them, or the lanes, no. I was mad, but at myself. I should be good enough to find the right line, the right release, and or the right equipment in order to compete and beat them. I used to bowl in a second shift scratch league in Texas. One year the center decided to use a little less oil, or changed something so we had a very dry condition most nights. I will admit, I did mention to the manager (who also bowled in the league) that we could use a little more oil, but I didn't "bitch" at him about it. What I did is go into my garage and pull out my old urethane Sumo, and I threw that. In fact one night I was bowling another very good bowler, on Columbia amatuer staff at the time and a PBA regional regular, and we went at it: my Sumo vs. his White Dot, lol.
Bottomline there are always answers to scoring better...this Megamav guy can do it, but he would rather complain because the shot isn't set up to HIS liking anymore. It may mean a change to his game, or it even may mean looking back through his old equipment to find a different ball that will match up better. The difference between Megamav and myself is, I know I suck. I know my 230+ average is due to easy THS conditions. And I am proving it this year bowling in my PBAX league here. My 230+ is down to a 200+, which is near the top of our league even with some very good bowlers in it.
Jorge300
Post by: ToiletLogCore on January 18, 2012, 11:52:06 AM
Excellent response Jorge.
I think you hit the nail on the head. MegaMav is the type of person to say that house patterns are killing bowling, and that he would rather bowl on Sport patterns instead. Talking about how all these other guys average would drop, yet never considering his would plummet as well. Yet when they do bowl on this harder stuff, there's always an excuse on why they didn't bowl well, "Oh I just didn't have the right ball.... The pattern didn't play like it was supposed to... The guys on my pair were throwing too much surface and destroyed the pattern"
Yet this guy have the nerve to call out an "inferior" bowler for beating him. MegaMav, you sir are clearly the inferior one.
You've just been handed a little TLC
Post by: The Stroke on January 31, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
Here is the latest. Ban THS conditions LOL.....
Someone call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABULANCE
Toodles
Post by: LuckyLefty on January 31, 2012, 02:22:41 PM
Many top hats reward the inside out loop shot to take advantage of the crown.
Many sport shots want to be played more down and in.
If you can't do both, well I guess you will just be better at one than the other. If you can do both then you are a versatile bowler.
I sometimes think of pro golf where some courses reward a hook, some courses reward a fade, and some courses like Augusta really reward a lefty fade(Phil Mickelson anyone). Can anyone deny that Phil is a pretty good player but not so versatile.
REgards,
Luckylefty
It takes Courage to have Faith, and Faith to have Courage.
James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana
Post by: northface28 on January 31, 2012, 02:45:00 PM
”Im a really good bowler, ask Ron”
Post by: tommyboy74 on January 31, 2012, 03:42:01 PM
+1 on that statement
My arsenal
Heavy Oil: Storm Virtual Gravity Nano: 2000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Track 919C: 3000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Ebonite Vital Energy: 4000 AB
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Storm Anarchy: 1500 polished
Medium-Heavy Oil: Track 919C: 3000 AB
Medium-Heavy Oil: Ebonite Vital Energy: 4000 AB
Medium Oil: Roto Grip Nomad Dagger: 1500 polished
Medium-Light Oil: Roto Grip Rising Star: 1500 polished
Post by: trash heap on January 31, 2012, 04:17:00 PM
Forget the oil pattern. Take the ball out the equation and it becomes a win/win for everyone. Ban all Urethane and Reactive Bowling balls. Plastic is the only type you can use.
Win for the Bowling Centers:
1. Bowling Lanes would require less oil.
2. Plastic ball does so much less wear on a lane.
3. Any damage done to a customer's ball is now cheaper to replace.
Win for the Bowler:
1. Plastic Bowling Ball price is cheap (More money to spend on other things: Like Tournaments) Makes bowling more affordable. Now someone can spend $50 to $100 and hold onto a ball for years.
2. You would carry 2 to 3 balls to a tournament (No more bags all over the place to trip on while bowling)
3. As your ball wears down the better it gets. No need to keep buying cleaners, sending it to the pro shop for oil removal.
4. Now that plastic is only type of ball. Manufacturer's now have more time to come up with outer ball designs. As a bowler you will have many different colors and designs to choose from. Bowling balls would probably be more unique to a bowler.
Oh I almost forgot...bowling sites like this would have more topics on the sport of bowling. Not what ball I need next.
Of course it will never happen.
Well I am off to the lanes to throw my new $200 bowling ball, guaranteed to give me more strikes than the ball I bought last year. 
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2012, 04:25:43 PM
A big +100.....
I had hoped Mav would have learned something in all the years since he left BR, but that post shows "the more things change, the more they stay the same".
One common characteristic of most good bowlers is that they never blame the condition for their Ills. The attitude is that whatever is out there, there is a way to be successful -- you just have to find it. And if you don't, it's your own fault. Nobody else is to blame.
I'm a 225-235 house hack, and far from being a truly elite bowler. I may be a big fish in my little pond, but I can never imagine disrespecting any bowler I'm up against. My job is to execute, and if I don't, I deserve to be beat.
Hopefully, Mav will get the concept someday.
Post by: kidlost2000 on January 31, 2012, 05:31:26 PM
If your good/great the condition doesn't matter. You bowl on a parking lot for money if the opportunity is put in front of you. That is part of being a competitor in anything. I know my limitations and what I'm good at and what I'm great at. A game, B game, ect I don't put in the practice to make my weaker abilities stronger because I know I'm not able to bowl as much as I would like. Still when it comes time to bowl on whatever, when ever, where ever it is go time.
I will be tournament ready with practice ahead of time. No doubts about it. If you don't have the same mentality then plastic or anything else won't matter when the shot burns up and you have to adjust. If you want to be one of the better bowlers you better spend less time b!tching and more time practicing.
"1 of 1."
Post by: RayRay310 on January 31, 2012, 08:07:38 PM
Has anyone heard of a bad day??..maybe a slump??
Post like his aren't helping grow the sport at all..
FWIW: The author of the OP on bowlingchat.net, don't know him personally, but being heavily associated with Mo Pinel I can say he's a better bowler than me. Not attacking his bowling game at all. Commenting on the OP, that's all..
Post by: Rileybowler on January 31, 2012, 08:23:15 PM
Plus 1 Great post
Carl
Bless the LORD o my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name
Post by: strikeking on January 31, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
Just another case of a bowler thinking he is good or great because he can buy a ball that hooks a ton right out of the box. He doesn't have to hit specific board or mark, just heave it some where in the general area and watch the pins fly. I'll bet the guy that beat him is much more accurate than he is and has better control of what he's trying to do with the ball.
Strikeking
Post by: dizzyfugu on February 01, 2012, 01:25:29 AM
+1 - good statement an IMHO totally correct.
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Post by: completebowler on February 01, 2012, 07:15:58 AM
Okay, here is a question? If you ban THS and everything plays much flatter, doesn't that give the advantage to the crankers? Would the people aligned with this movement then start crying that those guys have an advantage and the more accurate bowlers are getting screwed?
As Steven said, no matter what you're on the better bowlers find a way to rise to the top. Oil it 60' I will find a way to score. Strip it completely...again, I will find a way to score. The only thing you will do in either one of those scenarios is drive the average bowler down the road.
As someone who loves the game, runs a shop, and helps the center come up with ideas to bring in new business I have come to realize one thing. It isn't the state of the game that is causing bowler decline. It is the change in society and the fact that there are so, so many other options for our recreational dollars.
Bowling has to compete with PS3, flatscreens, social media, and the internet on top of all the traditional options for kids these days. Bowling was driven by plant workers in manufacturing in it's heyday...America has changed in that respect. Bowling used to be a family thing. But today's economy forces most houses to have dual incomes...so, bye, bye to the daytime women's leagues that used to be common.
But the kicker to all of it is this. The poster is a mod on a website dedicated to advancing bowling ball technology. Why??? To make the game easier. Isn't it kind of ridiculous to take this stance against proprietors but then advance another aspect of the game designed to make it easier to score?
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Post by: trash heap on February 01, 2012, 07:59:53 AM
The THS is not the source of the problem, but it does cause issues on the competition side of bowling. Let's face it most bowlers that know they are on a THS will not venture outside their home center.
Statements you hear: "Why should I go to the State or Local Association Tournament if I know I am not going have a chance? It's a waste of my money."
And it is so true. The inflation of scores at home on a THS, keeps the bowlers at home. We have seen it happen over the years. Guys used to seeing their ball hook and scoring well at home, go to a tournament expecting the same thing. They throw their ball and it goes straight. They have nothing of an arsenal to combat this condition. They are bowling on a pattern with more oil and is challenging. They are lost. They struggle to adjust. What started out as a thought of doing well, turns into a disaster and a bad experience. High percentage never return.
In my opinion what should happen to the THS is it needs to change over time in regards to sanction bowling. No need to go crazy and lay down the hardest pattern on earth. But things need to adjust gradually. Give bowlers time to adapt and change.
As far as youth bowling. THS should be banned there. Put the kids on challenging patterns. If anything they should use patterns used at the college levels.
Post by: Reverendwaz on February 01, 2012, 09:35:33 AM
Post by: NoseofRI on February 01, 2012, 10:12:41 AM
Lmao, knowing this makes this whole situation that much funnier. I can certainly appreciate you letting us all in on this info Reverend.
To touch on what others have said on the reasoning of the decline in bowling... The main reason is clearly the economy and people's mindset towards bowling these days. Back when my grandparents bowled leagues, hell even when I was still in juniors, it actually meant something to win a league. Which meant that people that either just began bowling or came out of juniors would actually go and practice to get better and help their teams out.
Then the technology came along....
Here's the kicker though, and listen carefully all, TECHNOLOGY ITSELF WAS/IS NOT THE PROBLEM. Technology is a good thing, and is good for bowling, but the problem is that the education regarding how the game was changing didn't nearly keep up with the rate the technology was changing.
So to all those they say, "we should go back to plastic blah blah blah," shut up, this is NOT the answer. Knowledge about the game is the answer. Guys averaging 200 yet having no idea why one ball hooks more than the other or why they should change balls or just move their feet. And guess what this is NOT their fault, like some (i.e. MegaMav) insist it is.
The knowledge needs to be brought back to the game in order for the sport to thrive.
Post by: trash heap on February 01, 2012, 11:05:57 AM
You have a very good point. There is no question that there are many that do not know a thing and education would help.
But really, let's take the plastic argument. To play TEN PIN BOWLING you do NOT need a reactive or urethane ball. It is NOT required. A plastic ball comes in various weights and can be polished and sanded. It is the same size ball and can be thrown by the bowler the same as a reactive and urethane.
These high end bowling balls have been produced for one purpose only .... HIGHER STRIKE PERCENTAGE! And you cannot argue that. They have done nothing else for the sport. They are not durable, they are designed to be condition specific (You need more than one ball to compete in a tournament - most serious tournament bowlers have at least a 10 ball arsenal).
Who does this benefit, the bowler? Really? You need this technology to play the game?
Hey I will be the first to admit. I buy new equipment. I enjoy watching the ball crush the pocket when I am throwing good. Who doesn't? That's why you bought a reactive ball in the first place. You would be stupid not to hop on the train.
Technology is here to stay! Is it necessary for this great game? In my opinion. NO. It would have been okay to be left in the dark ages of plastic. The Sport would have moved on just fine. Membership would still be in decline, if there would be anything different, the sport would definitely be affordable.
Post by: NoseofRI on February 01, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
Oh I absolutely agree that bowling balls changed the game because of better carry.
However, friction is needed to score in bowling, so the going back to plastic is just a ridiculous suggestion. The fact is there's just as much technology in lane machines and oil patterns as there is in bowling balls. That being said, I honestly don't think "house shots" should go away. There is a time and place for them (i.e. The Wed night, bowling with the guys to get out of the house, league). The problem is, that there is no education about what the shot, the bowling balls, the side walls, the gutters, etc... aid in bowling, therefore there are a lot of people that think these averages are an accurate assessment of "how go I am." Then, there's the opposite (i.e. MegaMav) who is presented with the knowledge, sees it as how he wants to see it, then blames everything else on why he got beat instead of the fact that maybe the underlying physical talent isn't there, and he's worried more about surface preperation, layout, ball dynamics, and how the pattern "should" play, rather than seeing what the lane gives him and making good shots.
The bowling ball technology isn't going anywhere, so maybe the bowling industry should use the technology we have in other aspects of the game in order to offset and re-"make the game tougher."
Post by: trash heap on February 03, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
Recall back to the PBA Plastic Ball Tournament. They were able to get those plastic balls to turn and it wasn't just the high rev players getting them to hook either. Its a very short oil pattern.
As far as the lane machine. Would we need it? Nope. The High Tech Lane Machine was created to handle the High Tech Ball (The ball came first.).
My whole point to this argument is the large amount money going into this sport uncessarily, just to increase strike percentage. The bad part about is, this technology is done with "smoke and mirrors".
- A bowler can't see the oil pattern that has been laid down to give the bowler area
- A bowler can't see that the ball is going to hook and grab the lane more.
- A bowler can't see that pins have been altered for better action
- A bowler can't see that kickbacks have been improved,
- A bowler can't see that WAHSAM has been installed on lanes.
All a bowler can see is that he/she is getting more strikes. They feel good about themselves, they have that false sense of being better. They don't work for it, they don't practice, inside they naturally feel they are gifted in this sport. When they shoot a good score or series, its all about their ability. They all forget that a lot of research and money helped them to shoot a score that without that technology they wouldn't even come close to shooting an honor score.
That's the HARD TRUTH of this sport.
Edited by trash heap on 2/3/2012 at 4:13 PM
Post by: NoseofRI on February 03, 2012, 03:43:26 PM
Beautifully said. But this is where the education of how the game/sport has changed would come into play.
But I still disagree in regards to going back to just plastic. Because one could argue that typewriters were never necessary for writing, nor was the advancement to computers. Heck, we can all write with pen and paper, why would we need a machine that makes this easier? Should we go back to walking and riding a horse everywhere because it's not necessary to have a car and spend money on gas?
Not to mention that your "go back to plastic" suggestion is still a major technological advancement over rubber, and rubber was an advancement over wood bowling balls. And in that case, we should also go back to putting only our thumb and 1 finger in the ball.
So you see, without technology we never would have gotten TO plastic in the first place.
Post by: se7en on February 03, 2012, 05:16:10 PM
Post by: BeerLeague on February 06, 2012, 06:18:57 AM
I think the sport in general has become pathetic. There is too much emphasis on equipment and not enough on shotmaking. This ball / that ball / this pattern / that pattern .this surface / that surface / this layout / that layout . .blah blah blah.. $200 for ball that lasts 1/2 a season before it craps out .... its a sorry sport. It gives me a headache !
If you want "fair" go back to short oil, urethane equipment, and put a premium on talent, not the contents of your 6 ball roller you drag to the casual beer league. SAD SAD SAD !!
Take up a real game if you want to get serious ... GOLF !!
If you want "fair" go back to short oil, urethane equipment, and put a premium on talent, not the contents of your 6 ball roller you drag to the casual beer league. SAD SAD SAD !!
Take up a real game if you want to get serious ... GOLF !!
Post by: pin-chaser on February 06, 2012, 10:54:18 AM
Here is a few points that I did not notic in this thread as to the potential issues that our sport endures:
Point Money... We pay 25 per night... end up paying +$30 per point at the end of the league... This is a savings accout prize fund... Why not reduce the nightly fee to 15... and pay 1st,2nd and 3rd. Stop paying point money. Then for my $50 weekly I bowl 3 nights instead of two. This would increase bowling center linage and improve my skills.
No incentive... When I started bowling you would goto a scratch league and want to improve (practice) to become a member. Today there are few locations that created this desire to bowl.
Skills - If it takes just power (speed and spin) to create carry and accuracy and reptition is not a premium then becoming a scratch bowler is easier. You can go from begining to a scratch bowler in many instances in just a year or two. Again reducing the amount of practice and league competition for proprietors.
While others have mentioned that technology (pins, balls, surface, oil patterns...etc) has made the game easier to score upon it has changed the game. Certianly the skills of yester year (ball speed control, rev rate control, targeting, lofting...etc) has been replaced with new skills (layouts, ball covers, ball cores, ball surface) they both require the understanding of what is happening on the lane surface. But the issue here is that if you have the right ball in your hand you are leading... the wrong ball in your hand you are loosing. Where as, the ball in yester year did not have such a huge impact as the skill was not taking advantage of the pattern using equipment it was the skill of manipulating skill within the bowlers physical game. The game is different. I would not say for the better because it comes down to who can choose or has the correct technology at the right times.