Post by: pnj1967 on June 16, 2008, 12:56:58 AM
Ball stated to be single drill, get pictures, and you can see thumb has been slugged, then redrilled.
Some say that is a single drill, because a slug was used, and ball was not plugged.
I guess if they had slugs for the fingers and they were used, you could keep putting in slugs3/4 times and still have a single drilled ball.
What is a single drilled ball to you????
If a slug is used, then drilled, is it a single drill, some people seem to "think", just because a slug was used, (and not actually having is fillied up with plug material) .
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Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2008, 10:31:50 AM
For most people, a thumb slug is preferred because you can remove the slug, put in a new one and change the span/pitch without having to do any plug work.
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 16, 2008, 10:34:01 AM
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Are you suggesting that if a person uses a thumb slug that it makes it a 2nd drill? You drill the first hole, say 1 1/4" for the slug, then drill into the slug for the actual thumb hole.
For most people, a thumb slug is preferred because you can remove the slug, put in a new one and change the span/pitch without having to do any plug work.
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Post by: azguy on June 16, 2008, 10:54:47 AM
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You drill the first hole, say 1 1/4" for the slug, then drill into the slug for the actual thumb hole.
For me, the bit has touched the ball once. It drilled into the slug, not the ball, for the thumb.
Just to be clear.
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 16, 2008, 11:04:13 AM
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You drill the first hole, say 1 1/4" for the slug, then drill into the slug for the actual thumb hole.
For me, the bit has touched the ball once. It drilled into the slug, not the ball, for the thumb.
Just to be clear.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 16, 2008, 11:07:50 AM
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Yes, but what about when the plugging or slug is still showing, like in the picture?
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Post by: JMORRIS on June 16, 2008, 11:09:53 AM
It doesn't appear any additional cover/core material was removed to move that thumb hole.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 16, 2008, 11:45:51 AM
A thumb slug drilled out and another put back into the exact original hole just to change the thumb pitch is a single drill.
Fingers "poured" to change the finger pitch and drilled back into the exact same hole is a single drill.
A thumb plugged to change span is ....plugged and not a single drill.
Fingers plugged to change span is....plugged and not a single drill.
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Post by: pnj1967 on June 16, 2008, 11:54:41 AM
I started this for a good discussion, (or what I thought would be), and not to get people to start arguing.
There was, in the past several months balls I looked at here in the For Sale Forum, that said "single drill". To me if you can see any plug work or thumb slug showing because of span adjustment, it's not a single drill.
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Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2008, 12:08:04 PM
Like Raiderh20boy said, it might be reducers. Never seen those used. In the past, my pro shop guy has plugged vacu sized holes and re-drilled.
I don't understand brickguy221 with the:
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Fingers "poured" to change the finger pitch and drilled back into the exact same hole is a single drill.
Does "poured" mean plugged? If you are drilling back into the exact same hole, but with a different pitch, you are removing different material than the original drill, and I would consider that as plug work.
As Tracy said, if plug material is used at any point, it is a plugged ball.
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Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2008, 12:11:34 PM
I make my own slugs from quick plug material. I use a mold to make the slug.
What if I decided to drill the thumb hole at the 1 1/4" size - same as the slug. Instead of using a slug, I pour the quick plug directly into the hole, then proceed to drill my thumb as usual?
I would consider it a plugged ball, but mainly because that plug material isn't going to come out the same as if I glued in the slug. The end result is the same, but the process is completely different.
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Post by: azguy on June 16, 2008, 12:19:25 PM
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I make my own slugs from quick plug material. I use a mold to make the slug.
What if I decided to drill the thumb hole at the 1 1/4" size - same as the slug. Instead of using a slug, I pour the quick plug directly into the hole, then proceed to drill my thumb as usual?
I would consider it a plugged ball, but mainly because that plug material isn't going to come out the same as if I glued in the slug. The end result is the same, but the process is completely different.
That's a tough call. In one way, it's the same as a Vise Clear slug, BUT, you poured plug material into a hole to let dry/harden. In another way, it's a plugged ball only difference the plug work is clear (?) and as I say, Tough Call.
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Post by: BigWillyStyle on June 16, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Also, to the person that was asking about "pouring" the fingers and drilling into the same spot that is called pitch-plugging. This is the "art" of filling a hole with quick plug (about 1/16" from the top cut), then redrilling into the EXACT same hole...but with the different pitch (this will keep the top of the hole in the EXACT same spot, but will angle differently into the ball. You wouldn't even be able to tell that it was plugged, unless you looked into the hole, as from the surface, there is only the 1 hole.
Big Willy Style
PS...pitch-plugging is done with quick plug (at least with every pro shop employee I've ever talked to, since almost all of the plug is drilled back out.
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Jumping off from my last response, here is a question:
I make my own slugs from quick plug material. I use a mold to make the slug.
What if I decided to drill the thumb hole at the 1 1/4" size - same as the slug. Instead of using a slug, I pour the quick plug directly into the hole, then proceed to drill my thumb as usual?
I would consider it a plugged ball, but mainly because that plug material isn't going to come out the same as if I glued in the slug. The end result is the same, but the process is completely different.
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Post by: charlest on June 16, 2008, 02:55:45 PM
Whatever else was done, it's up to the buyer to decide whether it means anything to them.
For me, it's single drill and ...
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Post by: qstick777 on June 16, 2008, 03:08:58 PM
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Quick plug is different than normal plug, as it is more porous than a normal plugging (due to the timeframe it takes for both to harden (quick plug takes 30 minutes or so compared to the overnight of a normal 3-to-1 plugging). I can't even figure out why you would want to punch a large hole, then fill it with quick plug, just to drill a hole in it, when you normally make molds of your thumb (like myself).
Big Willy Style
I don't do it, but I was thinking about it for a while. I wasn't sure if my mold process was going to work. I've gotten used to the feeling of a slug, but got tired of paying for slugs. The quick plug provides the same feel, but like you, I didn't see the point of wasting material.
Luckily my mold process seems to be working well enough (not actual mold of my thumb, but close enough that I only have to do some slight ovaling and sanding of the hole). I'm now able to make my own slugs for a fraction of the cost.....which is always a good thing.
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Post by: tenpin477 on June 16, 2008, 03:13:31 PM
IMO, a plug just to move a thumb back a tiny amount or something to that effect doesn't mean its a Second Drill.
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Post by: azguy on June 16, 2008, 05:07:02 PM
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This ball had a switchgrip thumb which is a 1 1/2" hole. I took the sleeve out and installed a 1 1/2" solid urethane slug. Then drilled the slug
Not doubting anyone's word, but as I read what was done, that is a single drill ball, in my book.
I think some of the problems when it comes to "single drill" or not, is what is/was done. As above, take out a switch grip and install a slug, single drill.
IMO, slug, drilled out to install a smaller one inside, NOT a single drill, just how I see it.
Personally, I don't like 1 1/2 slugs, I'd plug it and so state, nothing to misunderstand that way.
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Post by: JessN16 on June 16, 2008, 07:01:52 PM
"Fingers: 1st drill. Thumb: 2nd drill."
That gives people more information to work with. Unless both sets of holes are the first drill -- with no double-slugging and do plug work -- I'll split the fingers and thumb information.
Otherwise, "second drill" could mean a thumb hole plugged for span change, or a full plug, or a full plug plus plugging a weight hole, which is enough plug work to seriously degrade the value of the ball overall.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on June 16, 2008, 07:23:56 PM
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I don't understand brickguy221 with the:
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Fingers "poured" to change the finger pitch and drilled back into the exact same hole is a single drill.
Qstick, poured means the same material used to plug holes and filled above the surface of ball to change span, layout, etc. was poured into the finger holes only to the top of holes and even with the surface of ball and redrilled into the exact same holes changing only the pitches, thus nothing is drilled beyond the original hole.
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Post by: Sjf on June 17, 2008, 11:15:56 PM
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Just so everyone knows....The Track Temper is MINE, This ball had a switchgrip thumb which is a 1 1/2" hole. I took the sleeve out ans installed a 1 1/2" solid urethane slug. Then drilled the slug. HOW IS THIS BY ANY MEANS NOT A SINGLE DRILL??????????? I see most perple here DO understand this, aside from a couple. This ball has had NO WHATSOEVER plugging! Sorry, but I take pride in the condition of my equiptment, and I don't appreciate other people INCORRECTLY speaking of it.
It is a ball that has not be plugged. Some would call it a "single drilled ball" Changing inserts or a slug is not plugging a ball. Therefore it remains a "single drilled ball"
Post by: pnj1967 on June 18, 2008, 05:38:06 AM
There sure does seem to be allot of different opinions on this.
proshopguy, sorry your ball was used as an example.
When I look at a ball and can see some thing other then the original holes, to me it's a second drill. Example thumb changed, and you can see part of the ball and part of the plug/slug was drilled into, to "me" thats a second drill.
Did any one actually look at the picture as an example?
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