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JessN16

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What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« on: November 01, 2009, 07:27:56 AM »
Just got finished watching the telecast and two different guys missed the 3-6-10 throwing plastic across lane. I do not get this.

If you throw cross-lane at that spare with a straight ball, you have two ways to make it: You can either walk the ball down the line of pins (i.e., the right side of the 3) or you can hit the 3 on the left and collapse it.

But if you take your plastic and go straight up the lane, you get three ways to make it: You can either hit the right side of the 3, which is going to cause the ball to walk down the pins...you can go somewhat between the 3 and the 6, which causes the ball to take out the 3 and the 6 to take out the 10, or you can cross completely over and hit the 3 on the left and collapse it.

If you're coming from the left, the ball has a tendency to sling the 6 around the 10 if you hit high on the 3.

I made this switch a couple of years ago and my hit percentage went up from about 70 to about 90 percent on this spare. I'm sure there's a reason the pros do it the way they do it, but darned if I can figure it out. There have been a lot of misses on this spare the last couple of years on TV. Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2009, 04:29:52 PM »
I don't know about why the pros shoot their spares that way, but last year for my THS I changed to the way you do on that spare because I was missing too many.

For the 2-4-7 or 1-2-4-7 I still shoot across lane but miss too many that way so I guess I should move to the left and shoot straight at it.

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2009, 04:34:05 PM »
Just seems to me that for a righthander shooting the 3-6-10, going up the line with plastic afford you some pull room (i.e., if you pull it too much inside, you can still cover it by hitting high on the 3 and the ball knocking the 6 into the 10). If you're going cross-lane and you pull it, it's chop city.

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2009, 05:45:59 PM »
I cannot see trying to make this spare using even a plastic ball "and go straight up the lane", assuming, by straight up the lane, you mean going up 4/5/6/7 board area.

99% of house oil patterns are so dry outside of 10 board, even a plastic ball is bound to hook enough to chop the 3/6 and leave the 10 pin, if you're lucky. I know my Blue Dot can hook a lot, so much so, that if I leave the 3/6/9/10, that is how I try to play it. If you throw it very hard and perfectly straight, then the angle makes little difference. Accuracy is what makes that spare, not luck.
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2009, 05:55:14 PM »
The deeper you are to the left, the mrgin room for error you have. Its easier to shot the 10pin over the 2nd arrow, than the 1rst arrow.
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 06:21:32 PM »
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The deeper you are to the left, the mrgin room for error you have. Its easier to shot the 10pin over the 2nd arrow, than the 1rst arrow.
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I understand that, but this isn't about shooting a single 10. I would think 99 percent of us cross the lane to get the single 10, or even the 6-10 combo. But for every pin added after that, it gets harder for me to go across the boards to get to it.

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 06:23:57 PM »
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I cannot see trying to make this spare using even a plastic ball "and go straight up the lane", assuming, by straight up the lane, you mean going up 4/5/6/7 board area.

99% of house oil patterns are so dry outside of 10 board, even a plastic ball is bound to hook enough to chop the 3/6 and leave the 10 pin, if you're lucky. I know my Blue Dot can hook a lot, so much so, that if I leave the 3/6/9/10, that is how I try to play it. If you throw it very hard and perfectly straight, then the angle makes little difference. Accuracy is what makes that spare, not luck.
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That hasn't been my experience. Perhaps my house just isn't that dry outside. My problem crossing the lane has been that, if you put it out too far to the right, you have no chance to get the 3. If I get further right and go up somewhere around the 7 board (while keeping my hand behind the ball), I have more miss room.

Maybe it's just me. But there's no question my accuracy has gone up by switching to a strategy that crosses fewer boards laterally.

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 07:19:39 PM »
You have a higher spare percentage most likely because you're using a little bit of the free hook to the right when you play up the lane.

If you play straight it's much easier to chop the 3 or 3/6 straight back.  If you look at the angles from above it's far easier to cover the three pins if it's going in from the left.  If it goes straight you will need to catch the 3/6 the right way to deflect the ball back to the 10.

It's geometry and physics....
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 07:32:38 PM »
attempting to make the 3-6-10 with your plastic ball from the far left is the best way to make this spare. more margin for error that way.
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 08:30:22 PM »
I do it the exact same as I do for the baby split, across the lane like a ten pin, with plastic. Throwing it straight up the lane I would miss it, guaranteed.
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 09:02:49 PM »
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You have a higher spare percentage most likely because you're using a little bit of the free hook to the right when you play up the lane.

If you play straight it's much easier to chop the 3 or 3/6 straight back.  If you look at the angles from above it's far easier to cover the three pins if it's going in from the left.  If it goes straight you will need to catch the 3/6 the right way to deflect the ball back to the 10.

It's geometry and physics....
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What I've been trying to communicate the whole time is that I DON'T use the free hook. I'm targeting the space between the 3 and the 6 and going fairly straight up the back of the ball. If I push it just a little, I still clip the 3 lightly. If I pull it just a little, the ball still might get enough of the 6 to have the 6-pin itself, and not the ball, get the 10.

If I go cross-lane, if I miss to the right even a little bit, I will flag the 3 on the right side because I'm not utilizing the dry.

Basically, if I'm shooting from the right, I have a little room for error either way. If I'm shooting from the left, I have no miss room right whatsoever, and if I tug it enough, I'll do the same thing those two guys did on the telecast today (i.e., chop it).

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 09:27:28 PM »
Well the point involving geometry and physics still stands.  You have more room for deflection and error going towards the angle of the three pins than hitting them with more of the open space between them exposed.  When you go up the lane there is more open space available to chop pins off, when you go left to right the ball can hit all three on a straight line and not need deflection.
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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2009, 11:54:35 PM »
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Well the point involving geometry and physics still stands.  You have more room for deflection and error going towards the angle of the three pins than hitting them with more of the open space between them exposed.  When you go up the lane there is more open space available to chop pins off, when you go left to right the ball can hit all three on a straight line and not need deflection.
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Room for error for any bowler depends on what their swing plane is. If a bowler struggles with accuracy playing left to right (which I do) but not so much when playing direct, it would make more sense to go direct, right? One of the more useful things I've seen on this site was Jeff Carter's explanation of why David Traber often struggled on Shark pattern and a big part of it was his swing plane.

When I try to play left to right, I have a difficult time. It is a big reason why I struggle making the single 10-pin and why I have had a lot of trouble in the past with the 6-10. I have a better make percentage on the 3-6-10 than the 6-10. Reason for that is to guard against a chop, I have to play the 6-10 left to right, and when I do that I am in danger of going in the gutter. I'm actually considering changing the way I shoot the 6-10 by targeting the inside half of the 6 on purpose.

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Re: What is the deal with the way the pros shoot the 3-6-10 these days?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 12:35:36 AM »
I think I'm with Jess here.  Normally, I shoot the 3/6(/10) by standing left and throwing my normal strike release, but lately I've been chopping it too much.  For the heck of it, I tried going down 8-10 board more or less and I kill the hook completely(it's possibly even backing up a touch).  I've tried the "kill it" release while going cross lane and I have the same problem as Jess.  My percentage on that spare has gone up going straighter with the lane and that's all that matters to me.
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