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Bowl_Freak

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What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« on: February 10, 2015, 02:18:51 PM »
Recently bowled a tourney that runs 4-5 weeeknds throughout Feb. Looked at the standings so far and saw an astronomical AE Hdcp total leading the tourney. How high is too high? He is listed at a 192avg and shot 2303 scratch AE, 2592 with hdcp.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 02:26:09 PM »
The second place guy is just as bad though. 2391 with a 161 average? Sure pal.

Of course, it depends on what the handicap was based on too, but this is why I stay away from handicap tournaments.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 02:41:37 PM »
I know this, 2592 qualifies as "too high". 

For someone that bowls scratch like me, that's a 288 average.  Now, I'm confident in myself and I'm a pretty damn good bowler, but I doubt I got 2592 scratch in me, TBH.   :-X
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 02:42:15 PM »
192 average goes off to average 256 in 9 games...that's really hard to believe and even the guy in 2nd with 161 averaged pretty much 211.

just like milo, this is why I avoid handicap
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 02:50:44 PM »
Now . . I've seen a 190 bowler shoot 800.  I've never seen a 160 average bowler shoot 690. 
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 02:54:15 PM »
Quote from: ITZPS on February 10, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Now . . I've seen a 190 bowler shoot 800.  I've never seen a 160 average bowler shoot 690. 

Of course a 190 bowler can shoot 800. But three times? And two of them back to back in doubles/singles?  Nope, sorry I ain't buying it.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 03:17:36 PM »
I'll be bowling state next week with my worst average since my Junior days of 182.  I hope to throw something astounding so I can hear all the sandbagging comments!
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 03:19:45 PM »
Quote from: ImBackInTheGame on February 10, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
I'll be bowling state next week with my worst average since my Junior days of 182.  I hope to throw something astounding so I can hear all the sandbagging comments!

Well let me be the first. SANDBAGGER!! :)

Just in case none of us get the chance after you bowl. But good luck in the tournament.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2015, 03:44:38 PM »
Quote from: ITZPS on February 10, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Now . . I've seen a 190 bowler shoot 800.  I've never seen a 160 average bowler shoot 690. 

I've seen a 190 "book average" bowler shoot 800. It's called sandbagging.
I have never seen a 190 bowler shoot 800 and I never will.

These 2 top qualifiers should be eliminated on the basis of sandbagging by the very essence of their scores. It is IMPOSSIBLE for "bowlers" (and I use the word advisedly) to shoot those scores. People who have those qualifications are, b their very definition, incapable of being that consistent AND that lucky at the same time.

Let's face reality -
In today's game with today's balls and today's pins and today's side panels, are lucky to carry 10 strikes if they hit the pocket dead flush, VERY LUCKY!
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2015, 03:57:36 PM »
i am participating in this tournament this weekend, i have been bowling in this event the last 5 years, and the scoring is pretty high, they had 10 300's last weekend.  The shot and the carry is pretty darn good. i know they make you have your assoc. secretary verify your avg and handicap if you shoot a certain amount over your average. i'm not suprised by this score being shot, i am a 200 avg bowler, and i have never shot a 800, 781 is my personal best without a 300.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2015, 04:24:33 PM »
it's rough, I'm 204 average and still I get accused of bagging.... people be profile'n just because I'm Asian???? lol

Seriously though......most likely, it'll take more tourney's before #1 and #2 get re-rated....
« Last Edit: February 10, 2015, 04:26:14 PM by xrayjay »
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 04:32:19 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
it's rough, I'm 204 average and still I get accused of bagging.... people be profile'n just because I'm Asian? ??? lol

Seriously though......most likely, it'll take more tourney's before #1 and #2 get re-rated....

Come on Jay, it's not just because you're Asian. It's because you're Asian AND you bowl. Especially if you beat me!  :)


In the LVT at Granada bowl last year, Tom re-rated a bowler after his first three games. Dude had like a 170 something and ended with a 913 with handicap. Tom let the score stand, but the guy had to use the re-rate average for the other six games.
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2015, 04:45:55 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on February 10, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
it's rough, I'm 204 average and still I get accused of bagging.... people be profile'n just because I'm Asian? ??? lol

Seriously though......most likely, it'll take more tourney's before #1 and #2 get re-rated....

Come on Jay, it's not just because you're Asian. It's because you're Asian AND you bowl. Especially if you beat me!  :)


In the LVT at Granada bowl last year, Tom re-rated a bowler after his first three games. Dude had like a 170 something and ended with a 913 with handicap. Tom let the score stand, but the guy had to use the re-rate average for the other six games.

hahaha..... and it's scratch ;P

lol 913 with hndcp??? damn and at 170, so he shot 790-810 scratch? lol yeah right...sounds like the norcal ABT
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2015, 05:01:59 PM »
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:45:55 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 10, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
it's rough, I'm 204 average and still I get accused of bagging.... people be profile'n just because I'm Asian? ??? lol

Seriously though......most likely, it'll take more tourney's before #1 and #2 get re-rated....

Come on Jay, it's not just because you're Asian. It's because you're Asian AND you bowl. Especially if you beat me!  :)


In the LVT at Granada bowl last year, Tom re-rated a bowler after his first three games. Dude had like a 170 something and ended with a 913 with handicap. Tom let the score stand, but the guy had to use the re-rate average for the other six games.

hahaha..... and it's scratch ;P

lol 913 with hndcp??? damn and at 170, so he shot 790-810 scratch? lol yeah right...sounds like the norcal ABT

I just checked it, he was a 166 avg. And guess what? Only one league on his Bowl.com profile with just 24 games, of course, that was probably his Jan 1, 2014 average.

Na, no need to doubt how legit he was.

He is listed at the top of the Men's singles on this one: http://www.granadabowl.com/Portals/0/Documents/LVT_Page2.pdf

USBC#:8970-23009
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Re: What is too high AE totals say about a tourney
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 05:24:15 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on February 10, 2015, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:45:55 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 10, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
Quote from: xrayjay on February 10, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
it's rough, I'm 204 average and still I get accused of bagging.... people be profile'n just because I'm Asian? ??? lol

Seriously though......most likely, it'll take more tourney's before #1 and #2 get re-rated....

Come on Jay, it's not just because you're Asian. It's because you're Asian AND you bowl. Especially if you beat me!  :)


In the LVT at Granada bowl last year, Tom re-rated a bowler after his first three games. Dude had like a 170 something and ended with a 913 with handicap. Tom let the score stand, but the guy had to use the re-rate average for the other six games.

hahaha..... and it's scratch ;P

lol 913 with hndcp??? damn and at 170, so he shot 790-810 scratch? lol yeah right...sounds like the norcal ABT

I just checked it, he was a 166 avg. And guess what? Only one league on his Bowl.com profile with just 24 games, of course, that was probably his Jan 1, 2014 average.

Na, no need to doubt how legit he was.

He is listed at the top of the Men's singles on this one: http://www.granadabowl.com/Portals/0/Documents/LVT_Page2.pdf

USBC#:8970-23009

wow...that's nuts....i see a few names I know on that list
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