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SJG

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What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« on: July 03, 2006, 12:53:31 PM »
Hi all,

My oldest daughter will turn 13 next month and she has on her birthday list that she wants her own bowling ball.  I take her and my other daughter(8) bowling as often as possible.  They both enjoy it but she is tired of using the crappy house balls (I don't blame her!).  They both use the automatic bumpers and she has tried to get away from using them with varying results.  I think having a fitted grip and comfortable weight will help her get better.

One problem she has is being afraid she is going to drop the ball on the backswing so she tends to help it with her left hand until the ball gets into the backswing.  I think a well fitted ball will help in this area and that in turn will increase her accuracy.

She usually uses around a 8,9 or 10 pound ball but having a fitted ball might change the weight she can swing comfortably.

It's been a long time since I started out myself, and I'm not sure what kind of ball and drilling to get her started with.  I'm partial to and familiar with Brunswick equipment but not locked in on it exclusively.

My questions to all of you are as follows:

1.  What type of ball?  Plastic(Viz-a-ball or Target Zone) or a beginners line like the Groove or Power Groove (pancake or disk weighted).

2.  What kind of drilling?  Conventional with fingers and thumb inserted all the way or something between conventional and fingertip (can't see her starting out with fingertip?).  If something other than conventional, any type of grips?

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Steve

BTW, anyone else out there with a child starting out?  If so how did/are you handling it?

Edited on 7/3/2006 8:53 PM

 

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2006, 09:16:26 PM »
I'm interested in this too, as mine's going on 16 weeks and I think I should try to start him pretty soon.

I'd go with an entry-level reactive.  They're not that much more expensive than a plastic ball and you'll be able to find out if she's interested in taking the game further.  If not, you're not out any significant money over a plastic ball (especially if you were going to get a Vis-a-ball) and most come in a variety of colors.

If you can get her up to 12#, she'll have quite a few choices available.  The PGs have the DISC core down to 12#, but not in 10 or 11.  The Scouts don't even appear to be available below 14#, going by the C300 website.  Brunswick makes most of their stuff down to 12#.

Something else you could try is to put both fingertip and conventional holes in the ball.  It wouldn't be legal for sanctioned competition (too many finger holes), but that may not be an issue if you're just starting her out.  I don't think finger or top weight would be an issue (not that you'd worry about it for unsanctioned play anyway) since the holes would probably be quite small anyway).

SH

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2006, 09:19:49 PM »
IF she has never had her own bowling ball before, just go with a plastic ball such as a Target Zone or White Dot.  I would just recommend a coventional drilling for now simply because even a conventional drill custom fit for her hand is going to feel alot better than the generic drillings of the house balls.  Once she gets used to that and especially if wants to start taking it more seriously (joining a fall youth league), then somewhere down the line, you can take that same plastic ball and plug and redrill for a finger tip.  If she happens to like the feel of the finger tip drilling, then step up to an entry level resin ball like a Tornado, Power Groove, or Tropical Storm.

The main concern for now is to not get her too overwhelmed.  Keep it simple as she will enjoy it more that she has her own ball.  Good luck to you and Happy 13th to your daughter.
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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2006, 10:00:36 PM »
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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2006, 10:02:07 PM »
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions.  One thing that never occurred to me was weights that certain balls are available in (thanks Shelly).  I'll have to look into that.  Might have to go with plastic cause I don't know if she can go to 12#.  Next time we go to the bowling alley I'll have to get her to try some different weights.

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2006, 10:09:45 PM »
Just checked the Brunswick site, Groove and Power Groove are available in 10-16 #, so I'm sure she could go to at least 10# if thats what we decide to do.  Maybe start with a conventional drill on a groove and redrill to fingertip later like you've suggested.

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2006, 01:04:47 PM »
Steve,
 I would go with a groove or maybe even a tropical storm. I would say that 12 lbs shouldn't be too much ball for her. Now this next suggestion is the best I can give...what she doesn't know won't hurt her. Don't tell her the weight of the ball, most beginners you tell them 12 lbs and they just freak!! So just buy it but don't tell her till she throws it secondly I also see that most kids are apprehensive about going conventional to fingertip. Because of her age, if she bowls with conventional too   long, she is gonna get stuck in her ways. Punch up fingertips for her and tell her that's how personal balls are drilled(not a lie), but it will stop her from saying what she can and cannot do with the ball. Let us know what you do and how it goes.

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2006, 01:15:30 PM »
I would suggest a 10lb (or 11 possibly) Power Groove or Tropical Storm conventional drill to get a little more hitting power and more longevity out of the ball. Once she is comfortable with throwing and wants to pursue bowling more or ready to move up in weight, have this ball redrilled fingertip and she could use it as a potential spare ball or for if she bowls a handful of games and gets tired can switch to the lighter ball (assuming she got a 2nd ball).

My daughter is 2 and already wants to bowl, she pushes an 8lber down lane (with a little help from dad) and cant seem to get enough of it. Once she can hold an 8lb'er on her own, I will be getting one for her for sure.
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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 09:47:36 AM »
Twohands got it right.

just make sure to engrave her name on the ball. she will love it even more.
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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2006, 10:08:24 AM »
We normally recommend something plastic, usually a white dot or a maxim.  Most young beginning bowlers have a hard enough time worrying about keeping it on the lane. They battle low ball weights and slow ball speed along with learning coordination. Later if they like the sport the plastic ball can also be used as a spare ball or a second ball in building a small arsenal.  Yep youth bowlers build arsenals too!  Weight factor would be depending on how athletic she is.  The 10% of body weight rule does not always work in these situations.  We recommend normally 1 to 2 pounds heavier ball than the house ball currently being used unless there are problems otherwise.

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2006, 10:40:58 AM »
SJG -- Have you noticed that the folks that actually run pro shops are recommending a plastic ball with a conventional grip (although I would really like to see her throw the ball she's using now before making any recommendation)?  That should tell you something.  To check what weight she can handle, use a cloth ball sling.  Put an undrilled ball in the sling and have her grip the sling using the handles so that she's gripping right next to the ball and it can't come out of the sling.  Now let her swing it until she decides whether she can handle that weight.  If she can, go up one pound and try it again, if she can't go down one pound.  --  JohnP

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2006, 04:16:44 PM »
Ebonite lists RG and Diff for balls down to 10lbs on everything but the One series. So I am thinking that there is a core in the 10lbs balls. The numbers look close enough on the balls to make me think that the real core is in there. So you could even buy an Element or Premire series if you wanted too at 10lbs.

The Tornado and Tornado Warning series might be worth looking at if you don't want to go with plastic. Then like an earlier poster said if she has an intrest you won't have to go get another ball right-away just maybe have the Tornado re-drilled finger tip and start working on a hook.

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2006, 04:43:25 PM »
Wow, thanks for all the input.  I guess the consensus seems to be to start with a plastic ball/conventional grip, then when appropriate redrill for fingertip or get an entry level groove/power groove with fingertip.  I guess just having her own ball with a custom fitted conventional drill will be the biggest first step.  Once she gets her mechanics/timing working well it will be time to step up to fingertip/Groove.  I'll check with my driller (Alan from Carters Pro Shop in Toms River NJ) for his input also.  I really appreciate all the help, thanks again to all of you.  Still got a month to go before her birthday, so anyone else feel free to chime in with your ideas or experiences.

JohnP, great idea about the ball sling, I've got a couple in my bag, I'll have her try that to get an idea of what weight we should get.

Steve

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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2006, 07:22:46 PM »
My team mate using a Ebonite Tornado. It works great for beginners and he's only 10 with a 135 average!!! (or a Hammer Vibe if she wants to crush the pins)
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Re: What kind of ball and drilling for a beginner?
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2006, 07:54:22 PM »
Well i was thinking maybe a Columbia Scout, drilled conventional. i actually for some reason still have mine from when i was 7 or 8, and i remember that was the first ball i ever hooked (it DIDN'T even have fingertips in it!).

So maybe you can start off with a Scout, then a Groove, and then something a little better.

But thats just my thoughts
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