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JOE FALCO

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What kind of FOOLS are we?
« on: July 01, 2004, 06:27:46 PM »
Bowling balls are produced on a regular basis by companies. They make various COVERS with variations in their CORE. You can get PARTICLE/REACTIVE/PEARL PARTICLE/PEARL REACTIVE/SOAKER/etc.

All of this is GREAT! The thing that blows my mind is the fact that the manufacturers don't ALWAYS define the condition that the ball is BEST SUITED FOR! I don't expect them to say YOU CAN'T USE THIS BALL ON so and so CONDITION .. but I do EXPECT BEST CONDITION so and so!

What kind of fools are we that we buy a ball where the manufacturer can't define BEST CONDITION? Are we ball testers? Suggestions from the producers that the surface is ADJUSTABLE doesn't turn me on .. I want to know what it was designed for!

SAMPLES of balls with undefined BEST conditions:

HAMMER: Big Block Diesel/Turbo Diesel
RG: RETRO
DYNO THANE: Thing Returns
AMF: Triumph
LANE 1: Uranium

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2004, 10:06:44 AM »
Only comment, the RG retro seems to be good for about anything but really dry. Get yourself one, especially if you're bowling sport. JMO

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JOE FALCO

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 03:09:36 PM »
Have one in the mail as we speak!
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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2004, 03:18:21 PM »
It's a catch 22 situation.  Because we all throw the ball differently and all bowl in different houses on different conditions.

Most importantly, we all have a different opinion on what dry/medium/heavy oil means.

Dyno-thane made a few people upset when they called the Anomaly a heavu oil ball.  Some people complained that it didn't hook on their flood.  Besides the fact that NOTHING hooks on oil, it was a simple matter of different bowlers on different conditions.  

If DT said the Crisis was for dry lanes... no one would buy it for medium oil, when it's a great medium oil ball.  

Can't spell it out for everyone.  Because we'd be wrong as much as we'd be right.

Just my opinion.

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mumzie

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2004, 03:50:48 PM »
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Most importantly, we all have a different opinion on what dry/medium/heavy oil means.


Yep. That's it in a nutshell!

What I think of here in the Portland area as oily, is considered somewhat dry in the Seattle/Tacoma area.

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JOE FALCO

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2004, 03:51:43 PM »
So let me sum up your thoughts .. the company produces a ball .. with NO IDEA for what the ball is best at .. sends it out to the world of bowling and says .. TRY THIS BALL .. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT CONDITION I BELIEVE IT'S BEST FOR .. YOU GET IT  .. AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK! Is that where all that R&D money is going?

Leave it to the local PRO to tell you .. that's great .. why don't we go back to the GOOD OLD DAYS .. I sure there are plenty of GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD PROS that are around to help you out!! I'm having a tough time finding a GOOD DRILLER .. now I should look for a PRO to tell me what ball I should buy from him .. wonder what I would wind up with??

I don't expect the manufacturer to say .. FOR EVERYONE THIS BALL WILL BE GOOD UNDER xxx CONDITION .. but I do expect that OUR TESTING SHOWS THIS BALL TO BE GOOD UNDER xxx CONDITION!

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JOE FALCO

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2004, 04:23:31 PM »
It's only a CRAP SHOOT when the BEST CONDITIONS are NOT DEFINED! That's what I'm against. What I want to know is WHAT DID THE COMPANY PRODUCING THE BALL FOUND TO BE THE BEST CONDITIONS FOR THE BALL!

Don't know why that's an UN-REASONABLE REQUEST?

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LuckyLefty

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2004, 05:14:22 PM »
Jeez,

I think the companies do a great job in identifying conditions!

Storm in particular comes to mind.  They have beautiful charts with their balls that show what range of oil conditions it works on.

Long and heavy to short and light and 9 variations inbetween.  All these are assuming box surface!

Of course, then there is drilling and hand!  This can move balls dramatically in category.  A great example is my former league teammate Jimmy Keeth who can throw with up to 725 rpms on the ball.  He doesn't tend to ever use heavy load particle.  25 revs down the lane can create a lot of friction that me at 15 cannot revs cannot create on the same amount of oil.

His oil ball may be a scuffed pearl and mine is a heavy load particle solid.

In addition not all conditions are played the same way.  Maybe you've seen Bob Hanson and my posts on playing heavy flat oil patterns with weak equipment that allows one to easily point and then fitting the backend.  The common strategy is low rg heavy load particle solids I don't think is really the winning strategy.  The low rg portion makes one swing a little in the heads and then doesn't provide the recovery.

Summary.  I think companies are doing agreat job.  Storm(with charts), Columbia with their hook in oil, and hook in dry ratings.  Ebonite with their ball selector.  All are doing agreat job.
We as bowlers and interperters of information maybe need to get better.  Myself included!

REgards,

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mumzie

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2004, 05:14:24 PM »
Joe - that's why I like the Bowling this Month reviews.
They test each and every ball on the same conditions, with comparable layouts.
Although their "oily" might not be the same as yours, their comparisons give you great relative information.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2004, 07:18:07 PM »
SAW .. I'd buy the ball and if it worked as described I'd buy from them again .. BUT if they say it worked best on OIL and I was looking for something on DRY I WOULDN'T buy . seems like you NEVER see the logical answer but always try to blow SMOKE! Don't understand your STAND .. as a BUYER you DON'T want to know what the ball is best suited for .. CAN'T FIGURE YOU OUT!

Others have pointed out those companies that DO define the best conditions .. and I think that is FANTASTIC .. I only talk to those instances where THE COMPANY chooses NOT TO DEFINE the conditions and wonder how BOWLERS BUY?

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JOE FALCO

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Re: What kind of FOOLS are we?
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2004, 12:08:20 AM »
See I do agree with you!
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