Author Topic: What's up with THS? Is it too easy? (Read 5056 times)

TamerBowling · « **on:** May 01, 2011, 11:04:11 PM »

Alright, some are going to say of course. I will not argue the obvious that it boosts scoring. However, there are distinct differences in different houses and patterns, although they all put down some form of "house shot".

And if it's so easy, then why haven't more bowlers mastered it?

Check out this article and let me know what you think.

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I will also argue that different bowlers benefit more or less depending on their style. Being a power stroker, I complain that it helps us the least, in particular the walled up top hat.

Let's have some fun with this one...

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #16 on:** May 24, 2011, 07:32:09 AM »

+1, and a THS promotes ball movement which seems to make people more happy than a sound release and the ability to read the lane. With a THS, you do hardly need to develop these game fundamentals.

Inverted 1 wrote on 02.05.2011 7:35 AM:I think it helps the bowlers that spray the bal to an area rather than a target

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avabob · « **Reply #17 on:** May 24, 2011, 01:50:09 PM »

As a stroker I would disagree on the typical house shot being easy for me. Wet dry whether it is parallel to the pocket at 10 board or off the end of the pattern is not conducive to most strokers who typically do not have the ball speed to capitalize on a wet dry shot. Most of us can live in the pocket on wet dry, but get too much burn off the break point to carry consistently. I play much better on tapers.

TamerBowling · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2011, 05:19:25 AM »

I would say it's a relative thing. I find strokers can still get to the pocket more often than power strokers on "off" shots simply because they can play closer to the line and not get the over-reaction from the dry that puts the ball through the face for power strokers. On any given condition, different players will have different margins for error. Let me put it another way, to me, walled shots are simply annoying.

I didn't say strokers don't score better on a taper. I think more accurate bowlers will score better than less accurate bowlers most of the time. That will be more true on a taper whereas I've seen crankers and guys who dump the ball get away with all sorts of bad shots on walled THS.

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avabob wrote on 5/24/2011 1:50 PM:As a stroker I would disagree on the typical house shot being easy for me. Wet dry whether it is parallel to the pocket at 10 board or off the end of the pattern is not conducive to most strokers who typically do not have the ball speed to capitalize on a wet dry shot. Most of us can live in the pocket on wet dry, but get too much burn off the break point to carry consistently. I play much better on tapers.

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icefiction · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2011, 06:36:46 AM »

Yes it's too easy. Especialy when I see guys averaging 230 on THS then bowl next to them in a tournament on a sport or pba pattern n the have a hard time averaging 180. But they think they are better than me even though I beat them at said tournaments and average higher in league, but because when they bowl against me in league they beat me with their handicap they think its a win.

JessN16 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 25, 2011, 10:32:06 PM »

Regarding Red/White/Blue...

Someone said White is supposed to be easy for the tweener. I'm a tweener, and my reaction to that comment is.....ehnotsomuch.

We bowled a RWB league this past fall. On Red and Blue, I averaged around 210. On White, my average was low enough to pull my overall average to 187 (we spent twice as much time on White as the other two patterns, though, so the games weren't equal). This was on AMF HPL surface.

What I noticed about White was the hold went away. I still had recovery, but no hold. On Blue, I lost my recovery but had hold for days. When the shot is like that, I love it, as I can compete with bowlers much better than me. White was the total opposite, though. Pull it even a little bit, and it was gone. And it broke down super-quick.

Jess

TamerBowling · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2011, 08:22:41 PM »

Interesting, it just proves nothing is absolute, although I have seen it hold true most of the time on White.
It will also depend on the lane surface, etc.

JessN16 wrote on 5/25/2011 10:32 PM:Regarding Red/White/Blue...

Someone said White is supposed to be easy for the tweener. I'm a tweener, and my reaction to that comment is.....ehnotsomuch.

We bowled a RWB league this past fall. On Red and Blue, I averaged around 210. On White, my average was low enough to pull my overall average to 187 (we spent twice as much time on White as the other two patterns, though, so the games weren't equal). This was on AMF HPL surface.

What I noticed about White was the hold went away. I still had recovery, but no hold. On Blue, I lost my recovery but had hold for days. When the shot is like that, I love it, as I can compete with bowlers much better than me. White was the total opposite, though. Pull it even a little bit, and it was gone. And it broke down super-quick.

Jess

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BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2011, 01:24:31 PM »

I'm for everyone having a good time and being competitive. I also think USBC needs to act on this. The solution is easy. Again, will state this idea I've had for 10 years

USBC has their own patterns. Not the bowling house. USBC sanctioned leagues have a designated shot for that week the bowlers are to use. I'm not talking about sport shots or close to that, but designated patterns that range from easy to harder. If anything, it would require bowlers to have to change their lines, balls, speed and hand positions to score well. I do not believe every house lays out the same easy pattern every week. There are some out there that actually at least mix it up every now and then.

Designated USBC reps would randomly check houses that have sanctioned league to ensure the correct pattern is placed. Those houses found guilty would be fined. If it happens frequently the house would be disqualified from having any USBC sanctioned leagues. Tough rules but would require tough measures. USBC already has the "red, white and blue" patterns right now. Why not come up with something like that? Let the THS shots for non sanctioned leagues.

avabob · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2011, 02:08:07 PM »

Not that familiar with Red White and Blue, but I do know that most really top players score better on tapers than house walls.

TamerBowling · « **Reply #24 on:** June 09, 2011, 09:06:18 PM »

I for one, would be perfectly happy if houses did away with wall shots altogether. However, I would be fine if they used more tapered shots or even as you say mixing up existing "sanctioned" patterns. That's not a bad idea. I think that owners tend to be very set in their ways and set the shot up in a deliberate manner. Some say they set it up for their own game, but I'll even give them the benefit of the doubt and say they likely do whatever they think will bring in business.

I think if they give the competitive bowlers more competitive options, it might work. What you mention could even the playing field during a full season so that different bowlers types will benefit week in and week out and the cream will rise to the top. I just don't see anyone around here willing to put out anything more difficult or even try something different like red, white and blue.

BrianCRX90 wrote on 6/4/2011 1:24 PM:I'm for everyone having a good time and being competitive. I also think USBC needs to act on this. The solution is easy. Again, will state this idea I've had for 10 years
USBC has their own patterns. Not the bowling house. USBC sanctioned leagues have a designated shot for that week the bowlers are to use. I'm not talking about sport shots or close to that, but designated patterns that range from easy to harder. If anything, it would require bowlers to have to change their lines, balls, speed and hand positions to score well. I do not believe every house lays out the same easy pattern every week. There are some out there that actually at least mix it up every now and then.

Designated USBC reps would randomly check houses that have sanctioned league to ensure the correct pattern is placed. Those houses found guilty would be fined. If it happens frequently the house would be disqualified from having any USBC sanctioned leagues. Tough rules but would require tough measures. USBC already has the "red, white and blue" patterns right now. Why not come up with something like that? Let the THS shots for non sanctioned leagues.

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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #25 on:** June 11, 2011, 08:55:28 AM »

Getting a chance to practice on a harder shot whether it be a PBA Experience league or one of the "colored" USBC patterns would make a big difference in being able to do better on these patterns. Most houses do not put out a tougher shot to practice on let alone offer leagues with these patterns.

I have averaged over 230 on a house shot three times in the last 8 years( in three different house ) and the other years I've usually been over 225. When I bowled PBA regional tournaments I averaged 203 for 8 tournaments. The hardest pattern for me was the Viper......I never could figure it out. That being said, if I had more experience on that pattern and more time to practice on it I would do much better. For myself, and many other players, experience and practice could make all the difference in the world.

Some players and styles do better on house shots than others.........just like on tougher shots. As much as I'd like to bowl PBA regionals on a consistent basis my bank account won't let me. So I bowl local leagues and tournaments on whatever shot is laid down. If that shot changes in the future I'll deal with it. In the long run the best players will still have the highest averages in leagues and have the best results in local tournaments.

Edited by LBHS1979 on 6/11/2011 at 9:36 AM

pin-smasher · « **Reply #26 on:** June 11, 2011, 09:29:56 PM »

That is easier said than done.In my league to me the shot is very easy but there is ALOT of the bowlers in the house that still bitch that the shot is messed up or too hard to hit and if the center made the shot harder most of these types of bowlers would leave and then there goes the leagues and most centers are having a hard enough time keeping bowlers and making money...

TamerBowling wrote on 6/9/2011 9:06 PM:I for one, would be perfectly happy if houses did away with wall shots altogether. However, I would be fine if they used more tapered shots or even as you say mixing up existing "sanctioned" patterns. That's not a bad idea. I think that owners tend to be very set in their ways and set the shot up in a deliberate manner. Some say they set it up for their own game, but I'll even give them the benefit of the doubt and say they likely do whatever they think will bring in business.
I think if they give the competitive bowlers more competitive options, it might work. What you mention could even the playing field during a full season so that different bowlers types will benefit week in and week out and the cream will rise to the top. I just don't see anyone around here willing to put out anything more difficult or even try something different like red, white and blue.
BrianCRX90 wrote on 6/4/2011 1:24 PM:I'm for everyone having a good time and being competitive. I also think USBC needs to act on this. The solution is easy. Again, will state this idea I've had for 10 years
USBC has their own patterns. Not the bowling house. USBC sanctioned leagues have a designated shot for that week the bowlers are to use. I'm not talking about sport shots or close to that, but designated patterns that range from easy to harder. If anything, it would require bowlers to have to change their lines, balls, speed and hand positions to score well. I do not believe every house lays out the same easy pattern every week. There are some out there that actually at least mix it up every now and then.

Designated USBC reps would randomly check houses that have sanctioned league to ensure the correct pattern is placed. Those houses found guilty would be fined. If it happens frequently the house would be disqualified from having any USBC sanctioned leagues. Tough rules but would require tough measures. USBC already has the "red, white and blue" patterns right now. Why not come up with something like that? Let the THS shots for non sanctioned leagues.

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TamerBowling · « **Reply #27 on:** June 12, 2011, 09:49:02 AM »

Agree. Most houses do not put out anything more competitive than the typical house shot. Bowlers don't get to practice on something competitive. Then when they want to face something more challenging, it's easy to shoot 150 on a PBAx shot, even when you average 220.

It would be good if houses were willing to put out progressively more difficult shots. Kegel has many shots available of course. I don't know the cost implications of using the patterns by USBC or Kegel, but ultimately, proprietors put down what bowlers want. Everytime they face PBAx shots, say in the summer, most get tired of it quickly and want the house shot back. It's easy to feel that way when you don't face more competitive patterns week in and week out.

LBHS1979 wrote on 6/11/2011 8:55 AM:Getting a chance to practice on a harder shot whether it be a PBA Experience league or one of the "colored" USBC patterns would make a big difference in being able to do better on these patterns. Most houses do not put out a tougher shot to practice on let alone offer leagues with these patterns.

I have averaged over 230 on a house shot three times in the last 8 years( in three different house ) and the other years I've usually been over 225. When I bowled PBA regional tournaments I averaged 203 for 8 tournaments. The hardest pattern for me was the Viper......I never could figure it out. That being said, if I had more experience on that pattern and more time to practice on it I would do much better. For myself, and many other players, experience and practice could make all the difference in the world.

Some players and styles do better on house shots than others.........just like on tougher shots. As much as I'd like to bowl PBA regionals on a consistent basis my bank account won't let me. So I bowl local leagues and tournaments on whatever shot is laid down. If that shot changes in the future I'll deal with it. In the long run the best players will still have the highest averages in leagues and have the best results in local tournaments.

Edited by LBHS1979 on 6/11/2011 at 9:36 AM

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neverbackdown_x7x · « **Reply #28 on:** June 12, 2011, 05:12:05 PM »

It's hard for me to say that a THS is easy because everyone will have their good and bad days on a house shot. I've seen bowlers with 220 averages have a few off nights but everyone with lower averages complain that it's too easy for them. In both my centers that I bowl at, one is a normal THS but might be a little different every 3 weeks with the length a tad longer or shorter. My other league uses different shots every other week to make it more competetive for everyone because the previous two years they had ridiculous high series and numerous 300 games (of course people complained about that, too). Having different shots each week keeps me on my toes and helps strategize my different entry angles. What truly defines a bowler is how well they adapt to all types of bowling conditions and their way to being consistent and accurate on even the hardest oil patterns.

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