There are certain players that will or do manipulate their games to make said equipment work...the issue is that on certain conditions, they are battling the equipment as much if not more the conditions...how many more titles would or could they win is truly not a viable statement...

$$$$$$$$$$s tends to win out...there is so very few dollars left in the actual prize fund compared to previous years, any and all players are just trying to survive. It is just not as easy as one would think to throw what they can to win...more involved. Would it suffice a Barnes to throw Storm and win more? Possibly, but certain players home there skills in such a way that certain conditions, due to what the landscape becomes...i.e. how manipulated the condition becomes...might facilitate one type of motion early yet another later in the block. You can say it as simple as their players are better than another staff....hmmmm first of all, compare staffs as well as the actual numbers that compete...they are fairly balanced.
Again, the game evolves...the conditions, the surfaces, the oils and to an extent, the equipment...it has been shown in previous years, when there is a higher volume of conditioner in the fronts, Brunswick dominated...go back to the Vapor Zones & Absolute Infernos...guys such as Amleto & Duke jumping ship to throw and win with those balls...now due to the landscape and varying differences, Storm products are dominating....primarlly due to the landscape, yet PoY was using Brunswick.
If you are bowling on a typical house shot and there is a built in amount of friction side to side (50-1) in comparison to a flatter sport pattern (2.5-1)...if every bowling ball was black with the same amount of surface on them...you would not be able to tell the difference in average to above average players hands...

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So since you obviously don't know who Rico is . . I won't tell you, but you're missing the point here.  He's not talking about league bowlers on a house shot, the original question is why does there seem to be so many Storm staffed pros on tv all the time.  Rick Benoit, a world famous coach, maybe the best in the world, has the same opinion as Rico.  Storm also has the widest range of ball reactions in their lineup. 

Exactly, people having their opinions based on their personal experiences.  Unless there is published empirical data establishing a defined difference in reaction, then that's all we are entitled to.  But at least have some evidence to go along with your opinions.  I've been with 3 different companies.  I've drilled countless balls.  I have a strong interest in the scientific method so I evaluate my findings and incorporate others and if that means forming another conclusion or retesting, I do.

You say "Storm also has the widest range of ball reactions in their lineup."    So what exactly are you basing that on?  Number of balls?  Have you thrown every companies ball and found a reaction in Storm that other's didn't?   I'll tell you when I was a Storm/Roto staffer, there was a tremendous amount of overlap in balls.  That's because they reuse the same cover in so many balls.   Why do you need 5 different balls with XYZ cover?

Storm makes fantastic equipment.  So does everyone else.  Find the reaction you like and go practice.

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I'll tell you when I was a Storm/Roto staffer, there was a tremendous amount of overlap in balls.  That's because they reuse the same cover in so many balls.   Why do you need 5 different balls with XYZ cover?

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Quick question.  That overlap that you saw, was that based on THS or sport conditions or both?
I don't have enough experience with that many of Storm's products to know myself.

To me, it would have to be THS, because with the R&D and testing that goes into this stuff, no ball company would purposely or knowingly release balls that overlapped so much . . and on tougher shots, the differences are more easily identified.  A house shot makes everything look the same. 

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I'll tell you when I was a Storm/Roto staffer, there was a tremendous amount of overlap in balls.  That's because they reuse the same cover in so many balls.   Why do you need 5 different balls with XYZ cover?

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Quick question.  That overlap that you saw, was that based on THS or sport conditions or both?
I don't have enough experience with that many of Storm's products to know myself.

Both.  Since cover is majority of the reaction, I ended up having too many balls that just were too similar.

Reasonable. 

Anthony what's up! How the hell are you? Good hearing from you...and honestly you are correct,..in a lot of ways, bowling balls are extremely similar to golf clubs...small shelf life and for the most part...they have advanced as far as they can...
Good hearing from you...hope you're well

I wish there was a separate medium to pick your brain. 

You can use the PM feature here or email him, but then the rest of us may lose out on learning something.

I've thought for years that Brunswick was ahead of every company in terms of coverstock technology. I've disliked their ball motion for years because their covers have been too strong. Now the other companies are catching up and I'm starting to not like the other companies now either. for me the r2s cover has the perfect amount of length and pop for a ths.The cover is just great for medium volumes that most houses use and it gives storm an advantage in that regard. As far as the tour is concerned rico is right it has more to do with $$$$ than their equipment. The players who win would likely win with any company.....

I think it would be fun and interesting to see the top pros throw other companies and see how they did.  I will admit that I am a Storm/Roto backer and would love to see Rash and Barnes use a Defiant Soul or IQ Pearl.  Barnes would really benefit, in my opinion, with getting a little more angle entry to the pocket to eliminate all the flat tens he seems to leave.

I doubt that it would help. The violent eruption creates just as much angle as any storm ball.....Barnes knows the type of reaction he wants to see and he creates it with hand positions. If he wants to create angle he can and would.....