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DanH78

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What should Handicap be based off?
« on: August 18, 2009, 09:59:28 AM »
We have our league meeting this thursday.  Last year, we upped the handicap to 90% of the difference of 230 because the prior year 1 guy average 230+

Here are the league stats
94 bowlers (including subs, fifth man, etc)
League Average = 193
Low average = 118
High Average = 230
16 bowlers averaged less than 180
43 averaged between 180 and 200
33 averaged between 200 and 220
2 bowlers averaged above 220 (223 and 230)

Approximately 81% of the league falls into the 180-220 range.  To me, 90% of 230 just seems too high.  But I don't know what it should be, 225, 220?

Suggestions?
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 06:03:42 PM »
If it's not based off the highest average, then those people over the base will have an advantage beyond that of the percentage below 100%. That's just not fair. Handicap is all about "trying" to make it fair for "almost" everyone.

Otherwise, it might as well be a scratch league WITH NO limit!
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 06:12:41 PM »
We base our leagues in our house off the highest avg in the league..

so some are 90% of 230
some 90% of 220
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 06:12:41 PM »
i smell sandbagging..lol
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2009, 06:26:41 PM »
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i smell sandbagging..lol


Unless it is a scarcth league with no team average cap, there is and will always be the potential for sandbagging.

Sandbagging is a lot like cheating at cards: if there were no incentive, there'd be no sandbagging. As long as there is gambling, based on the potential to make unearned money, there will be cheating. It's one of the evil sides of human nature to cheat.

If there were only monetary awards for high games, high average, high set, high team set, number of clean games, and only scratch bowling, with no limit on entering average or entering team average, there'd be no cheating.
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2009, 06:31:50 PM »
100% to 300.
Then NO one can say it's not fair.
No one can say another person has an advantage.

Of course, I personally hate the idea. But no one can argue that there's an advantage to ANYONE!
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2009, 06:37:37 PM »
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If it's not based off the highest average, then those people over the base will have an advantage beyond that of the percentage below 100%. That's just not fair. Handicap is all about "trying" to make it fair for "almost" everyone.

Otherwise, it might as well be a scratch league WITH NO limit!
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I sort of agree.  My problem is there is only 1 guy at 230 and 1 other guy above 220.  If we had a bunch of guys in the 220+ range, then I wouldn't see a problem with basing off of 230.
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 06:49:05 PM »
It just means that if the handicap is based off of 220, then the 230 bowler will be getting 10 free pins each week.

If a 190 bowler bowls 2 pins over average, and the 230 bowler bowls ten pins below, the 230 average bowler will still beat the 190 bowler.

Having a lower baseline for handicap allows the bowlers who are above the baseline to have a bad game or week without any penalty.


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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 07:37:55 PM »
I have always liked the difference between team averages and no individual
handicaps.  Then there are no advantages for any one individual.  Just forget
individual handicap awards.
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2009, 07:54:10 PM »
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I have always liked the difference between team averages and no individual
handicaps.  Then there are no advantages for any one individual.  Just forget
individual handicap awards.



I never understood individual handicapping in a team based league.  Our league has always done 90% of the difference of the competing teams and we have never had an issue, and for the most part it has been pretty fair and competitive.
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2009, 08:01:50 PM »
My preferance is also for % of the difference between the two teams.  

But in lew of that.

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To me, 90% of 230 just seems too high

remind your bowlers that the higher you base the handicap on, the more handicap all the lower average bowlers get.  

I guess another way to deal with this is don't let anyone over X average bowl.  And let no subs bowl that do not have a book average.  Any new bowler that establishes over X, will be asked to leave the league.  

I am always bemused at the lack of ability of bowlers to understand a simple math situation such as bowling handicap.  

Erin

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BrianCRX90

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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2009, 09:23:55 PM »
Handicap should always be 90% of 210. This is not an opinion, but a fact how this is the best way of doing it.
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 09:40:40 PM »
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Handicap should always be 90% of 210. This is not an opinion, but a fact how this is the best way of doing it.


The USBC, as recently as three years ago, recommended 100 percent.

Also, if you have no bowlers bowling 200-210 -- and you won't in a beginner's league -- it makes no sense to go to 210.

Conversely, If half your league is averaging 220 and up, having it at 210 is too low.

I just can't see how you can make such a definitive statement when circumstances often dictate something completely different.

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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 09:43:01 PM »
Isn't the only fair way of handicapping negative pins?
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Re: What should Handicap be based off?
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 09:54:00 PM »
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It just means that if the handicap is based off of 220, then the 230 bowler will be getting 10 free pins each week.

If a 190 bowler bowls 2 pins over average, and the 230 bowler bowls ten pins below, the 230 average bowler will still beat the 190 bowler.

Having a lower baseline for handicap allows the bowlers who are above the baseline to have a bad game or week without any penalty.


although i am a higher average bowler, i agree with this post.  the higher average guy does get "free pins" if the base is too low.  our base was 230 and i average over the base thus get free pins to work with.

a few years ago ABC said that the fairest percentage was 117% (or so), dont really know why but it was written somewhere.

i also agree that 100% of 300 wouldnt be horrible because everybody would be equal, wouldnt they?? then it truly would be if you bowl the most over your average you win???

Edited on 8/18/2009 9:54 PM
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