Post by: Jeffrevs on October 14, 2003, 04:37:07 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 08:07:09 AM
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: charlest on October 15, 2003, 08:11:40 AM
If this bowling was done with your new span, you DO have to give yourself sometime to become accustomed to it. You might have been thinking about it too much. OR you just might have been thinking too much, in general. You've got to relax AND focus.
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Post by: Siniak on October 15, 2003, 08:20:52 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 08:34:28 AM
Charlest,
Well....here's the deal.......my strike ball had the new span....my spare ball did not ! I know, I know...."WELL DUMMY,...no wonder !" I know........But I don't want that as an excuse, because it's not!!
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/15/2003 9:07 AM
Post by: charlest on October 15, 2003, 08:50:48 AM
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Mojo, ...thanks ! If I didn't think I'd throw out my elbow....maybe I would!
Charlest,
Well....here's the deal.......my strike ball had the new span....my spare ball did not ! I know, I know...."WELL DUMMY,...no wonder !" I know........But I don't want that as an excuse, because it's not!!/font=Arial]
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Ok, Jeff, you know I rarely do this, except for when someone really needs it, but I think you need a prod in the right direction -
Well, DUH!
Folks, I think we have discovered one part of Jeff's problem.
Jeff,
Plastic spare balls are cheap; get a White Dot or whatever you like drilled with the new span. Either that or use that new-span strike ball only in practice. Now is NOT the time to cheap out. All balls should feel the same.
Also, others have added some good ideas; think about what you're doing when you're doing it. Worrying about others will only hinder your focus. You help the team more by your bowling than by your worrying.
10 pins: When you leave one, don't get mad, don't start calculating scores in your mind, don't think about why you left it, don't start making corrections in your mind. The first and ONLY order of business is to MAKE THE DARN SPARE. This may sound trite and banal, but it's something you need to think about. From all the years I have been watching people, this is the 99.9999% reason why they miss an easy spare and a 10 pin is an easy spare. That is because right handers of over 200 average leave this spare more than any other; it should be easy.
(I am not saying you do this, but ..)
When I see someone throw a temper tantrum of any degree after he/she leaves a 10 pin, you can bet $50 on the next 20 instances of this and make $900. People who do that have already missed the spare. Get mad AFTER you make the spare. No, you're not going to make every one of them, but you'll make more this way.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 08:58:05 AM
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Hi Jeff. Missing those ten pins has nothing to do with the ten pin.
??? I didn't say it did ??
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You are missing your mark, not the ten pin. Missing the ten pin is just the result of missing your mark. I can see that while I sit here in my mansion in Howell, MI. Its that easy to see.
Not entirely true mansion dweller.....only 1 time I missed my mark....3rd arrow...it's the angle I'm crossing it.....
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I just think you could use some practice. You also need to stop giving a crap what everyone else on your team is doing and get your game in shape. Who cares if they shoot big scores? You need to focus on you.
I do need practice, haven't had time lately...you're right there!
And I am focusing on me! Probably too much.....it's just embarrassing that's all
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"Gold member-slow member. You cats got rooked. Nice investment. Wanna buy some swamp land on the moon?"
Dude,...isnt't that getting a little old.....get over it
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JEFF
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 09:04:11 AM
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Jeff,
I screwed around with my spans two years ago. It was tough to get used to but even tougher when you have several balls with different spans. Trust me, I know from experience. What did you do with your span? Longer? Shorter? Thumb pitch? What did you change? Sorry if you said it in another post but I haven't been around here in a while so I missed it.
Clutch....shortened it....it was way too long! And, because of that, my thumb pitch changed too. It FEELS great, now I just have to DO ! Ya know ?
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 09:15:40 AM
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Mojo, ...thanks ! If I didn't think I'd throw out my elbow....maybe I would!
Charlest,
Well....here's the deal.......my strike ball had the new span....my spare ball did not ! I know, I know...."WELL DUMMY,...no wonder !" I know........But I don't want that as an excuse, because it's not!!
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Ok, Jeff, you know I rarely do this, except for when someone really needs it, but I think you need a prod in the right direction -
Well, DUH!
Folks, I think we have discovered one part of Jeff's problem.quote:
Jeff,
Plastic spare balls are cheap; get a White Dot or whatever you like drilled with the new span. Either that or use that new-span strike ball only in practice. Now is NOT the time to cheap out. All balls should feel the same.
Why does everyone assume I don't have plastic! I use a polyester spare ball (Roto Grip Cosmos)...I HAVE PLASTIC!quote:
Also, others have added some good ideas; think about what you're doing when you're doing it. Worrying about others will only hinder your focus. You help the team more by your bowling than by your worrying.
I don't "worry"....but when you're team is all 220s and you produce a 159...it's kind of easy to notice !!!quote:
10 pins: When you leave one, don't get mad, don't start calculating scores in your mind, don't think about why you left it, don't start making corrections in your mind.
I don't get mad when I leave a 10 pin...I've never got mad after leaving a 10 pin...and I never start thinking about adjustments. The first thing that goes thru my head when I leave the 10 is....OK, nice shot, now go get it !Quote
(I am not saying you do this, but ..)
When I see someone throw a temper tantrum of any degree after he/she leaves a 10 pin, you can bet $50 on the next 20 instances of this and make $900. People who do that have already missed the spare. Get mad AFTER you make the spare. No, you're not going to make every one of them, but you'll make more this way.
See above....I know it's not towards me, but....I don't get mad when I leave a 10 pin.........
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 09:39:10 AM
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You don't get mad when you leave a ten pin? Jeff look at your post. You are pissed about missing a 10 pin. Those are your words.
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"Gold member-slow member. You cats got rooked. Nice investment. Wanna buy some swamp land on the moon?"
About missing the spare !!!!!!! Re-read it Clutch! I said I don't get mad when I throw my strike ball and LEAVE a 10 pin.....it pisses me off when I miss the spare though....you're confusing the responses
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/15/2003 9:48 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 09:45:46 AM
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Yes, I am truely confused. You say that you do not get mad at missing the ten pin but I can read your posts about being pissed over it. Then you say that you do not get mad but then you state that you get mad after missing the spare. Whats the deal? Is sawbones around?
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"Gold member-slow member. You cats got rooked. Nice investment. Wanna buy some swamp land on the moon?"
OK, TBU....knock it off....here, I'll spell it out for you!!
When I throw a ball and leave the 10 pin on my FIRST BALL, (i.e; strike ball)I don't get mad.....but it pisses me off when I miss the spare.
get it ?
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 09:48:09 AM
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You said, "I may as well just sit down." What does that mean? Are you happy about sitting down or pissed about having to miss another spare?
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"Gold member-slow member. You cats got rooked. Nice investment. Wanna buy some swamp land on the moon?"
NO, no no....read it again....past tense....meaning last night my spare shooting at the 10 pin was so bad, I may as well just have SAT down. Meaning, I was missing my 10 pins......
Don't make a mockery of it John....you know what I mean,...I'm frustrated and bowling terrible.......please
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: charlest on October 15, 2003, 09:57:51 AM
We are trying to help. You're getting upset at us for no reason and you are reading too fast.
I didn't say you were not using plastic. By your own admission your spare ball (a plastic one) is not drilled the same as your strike ball. This is not a good thing and can easily be a big part of the reason why you're missing the 10 pin. I meant buy a new one because getting a ball plugged abd redrilled can be a lon, time consuming process.
The other solution is to use this new strike ball only in practice and use your old strike balls and old spare balls, all with the old grip in leagues just so you're using the same grip.
Next, I specifically said you may not one of theose people who gets mad at leaving the 10 pin, but that thought along with all the other thoughts (about things other than the making of the 10 pin spare) that tend to confuse the issue while our main objective is to make the 10 pin.
You or someone else said you were worried about the team. ALl I suggested was one's thought processes should, must be focused on the execution of the moment. Anything else is counterproductive.
Is it clear that we are not attacking you? that all we are doing is making some general suggestions to HELP you.
OK, why do you think you were missing 10 pin spares all of a sudden that night?
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 10:01:11 AM
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Read again what you posted above. I think you will find a lot of your problem is in the negative self talk you are subjecting yourself to every time you leave a 10 pin in that centre. The more you talk to yourself like that (either mentally or verbally), the worse you are going to go. As a result, now every time you look at a 10 pin, you have already effectively talked yourself into missing it.
Brenton, see my other response to charlest,...I don' t get mad when I leave a 10 pin.....my first response is usually something like this "OK, good shot, now pick it up"....you know what I mean
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I can talk from experience in this matter, because I am a habitual negative self talker and it takes a lot of mental energy to discipline myself not to do that. However when I can discipline myself that way, I bowl better, my swing is a lot freer, my release cleaner and I am just a nicer person to be around.
So I would try changing your mental outlook next time you go into that centre and if you can cut out the negative self talk, even when you happen to miss a 10 pin (yes, you are human, you are allowed to be imperfect!), you will probably find you are leaving a lot fewer 10 pins to shoot at anyway.
Good luck!
Brenton, thanks !! Funny thing is,...I usually follow a 10 pin miss with a strike !
I do everthing I can not to get upset because I know it only makes things worse! Like golf ! So I try to stay positive and ask myself "ok, what am I going to do now to make-up for that " ! That works for me.....remember....I cleared my head and made a 10 pin in the last game! Boy did that feel good ! 
Thanks again Brenton!
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 10:26:54 AM
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Jeff,
We are trying to help. You're getting upset at us for no reason and you are reading too fast.
charlest, yes, I know....still frustrated....I apologize!
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I didn't say you were not using plastic. By your own admission your spare ball (a plastic one) is not drilled the same as your strike ball.
No,..you didn't, you're right, I did read into that , but it does come across that way a little because you suggested buying a White dot, and said they're cheap..that's why I clarified. You are correct, NO, it's not drilled the same "yet"
....it's going in tomorrow !!quote:
This is not a good thing and can easily be a big part of the reason why you're missing the 10 pin. I meant buy a new one because getting a ball plugged abd redrilled can be a lon, time consuming process.
I agree ! I'll be getting it fixed because I'll be away on business for a few days and I'll have time to get it re-drilled.
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Next, I specifically said you may not one of theose people who gets mad at leaving the 10 pin, but that thought along with all the other thoughts (about things other than the making of the 10 pin spare) that tend to confuse the issue while our main objective is to make the 10 pin.
I know, I read that, and understood it, that's why I responded with "I know you didn't mean me specifically". I just wanted to confirm and let you know that I don't...when I see my ball hit the pocket and the 10 pin stands,...I don't get mad....just confirming....but I see your point, and agree!
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You or someone else said you were worried about the team. ALl I suggested was one's thought processes should, must be focused on the execution of the moment. Anything else is counterproductive.
Someone else implied that I was worried based upon my comment of my teammates burying strikes and I'm 10-whiffing. Not worried, embarrassed. However,....I agree with you....focus on my job!
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Is it clear that we are not attacking you? that all we are doing is making some general suggestions to HELP you.
Yes, it's clear...some are just having fun with it though
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OK, why do you think you were missing 10 pin spares all of a sudden that night?
Well, if I knew that ?!?! .....lol.....The bad thing is....it's been getting worse...just real bad last night. Honestly, I don't really know
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 12:34:26 PM
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Sometimes it comes down to some things in life being a lost cause.
my game ? or the fact that I get mad / frustrated when I do bad?
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The anger thing was tested here, Jeff, in an attempt to let you figure it out on your own.
True....should have caught that one!! TBU did that to me once too....wait..........mmmmmm
Why play cards.....I know I get upset when I do bad, and I work on that and must say I'm better than I used to be. Not good, but better. No one needs to tell me that.....unfortunately I know it's a weakness of mine.
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Getting upset at any point is just silly. It's a game and a stupid one sometimes at that. You need to learn to keep you emotions in order and play the game. That applies to both here on the board and in the world of sports.
Yes,...like I said above, I am competitive and get frustrated when I perform way below what I should....it's a weakness and I know it...
I'm not mad anywhere on this thread....just frustrated because I don't know what I'm doing wrong........
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Simply because I choose not to lay things out in black and white in order to try and help you and some others doesn't mean that I am "playing" with your topic.
sometimes it's appropriate, but sometimes that is what people are looking for. I would think my rant was obvious...I'm frustrated and looking for suggestions
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Don't you see how boring it gets here when the same old words are used in the same old ways? Bla,bla,bla. Boring. I hope you understand.
Yes, I understand......see your signature below
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"Gold member-slow member. You cats got rooked. Nice investment. Wanna buy some swamp land on the moon?"
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: card79 on October 15, 2003, 12:46:35 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Edited on 10/15/2003 12:55 PM
Post by: anotherwindup on October 15, 2003, 12:48:57 PM
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Jason Jenkins
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 12:54:42 PM
I'm just missing them when I leave them.........I had 5 or 6 last night in the set which if fairly normal, but missed all but one...
Andy,...YES! That's what I've been trying to do
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 12:57:49 PM
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My 2 cents: You are shooting the 10 from the wrong angle. the 3rd arrow is way to far right, and even a spare ball will read the lane from that angle. I am assuming that you are bowling on THS which means you should be shooting the 10 from AT LEAST 4th arrow. Utilize the whole lane and allow the pattern to help you make the spare. The increased angle will increase your spare %.
thanks Jason....probably allows for more room for error too! Wierd...I just recently went to 3rd arrow and I was just nailing every 10 pin..and in the last few weeks it's been slipping away ! Maybe a move left will help....thanks again
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 01:08:11 PM
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I agree with anotherwindup. Unless you are completely killing the roll on the ball or using enough speed, plastic will read the lane. I usually target around 17-18 for the 10 pin, but there are times when I move as deep as 25 with a White Dot.
It's not so much my plastic ball is breaking, ...but I'm missing on the angle thru the 3rd dot...usually missing left...straight left, not the spare ball breaking...but sometimes I'll toss it in the drink too !
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: 9andaWiggle on October 15, 2003, 01:29:03 PM
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 01:32:49 PM
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Jeff - all this thinking here is why you're missing them. JTTFB and pick up the Damn Spare!!
JTTFB??? .......WAIT....GOT IT
I think you're right !!
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/15/2003 1:45 PM
Post by: anotherwindup on October 15, 2003, 01:38:45 PM
Also- take and turn your whole body toward the 10. Pretend the foul line is on an angle- stay square to the "angled" foul line. This will project the ball on the intended path.
OK, that maybe more than 2 cents.
No charge for the lesson, though. Maybe I should coach and not bowl????
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Jason Jenkins
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 01:40:52 PM
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 02:21:33 PM
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Why don't you take a gun and shoot yourself!!!
I'm frustrated with my spare shooting, not with life, which you appear to be because the only thing you ever have to say on this board is negative, so ...go back under the rock from which you came!
It's a bowling board, where the subject is discussed...ups and downs (in different ways!...right clutch !
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/15/2003 2:35 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 02:44:02 PM
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: card79 on October 15, 2003, 04:05:24 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on October 15, 2003, 05:36:58 PM
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9-
Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 15, 2003, 07:25:35 PM
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Ok I have been told to stop being so subtle and just spell things out so here it goes: I suggest we all screw bowling and sit around drinking beer and burning wood. Does life get any more relaxing than that?
Clutch
"Spelled out for the reading impaired."
Clutch...YES!!! I like that!Well written. But, slight correction....you weren't told,...just asked
....I sent you a message!9-....I got plenty of wood for that fire !!!!
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/15/2003 7:53 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 16, 2003, 12:29:28 PM
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Keep missing those easy spares...........
I probably will......as long as you keep missing the telecast....
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/16/2003 12:38 PM
Post by: Next Level PS on October 16, 2003, 12:58:51 PM
Did anyone see the show the other day...
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Post by: Next Level PS on October 16, 2003, 01:04:16 PM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 16, 2003, 01:04:57 PM
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The difference here hack is that you can't bowl good which is why you're missing all those 10 pins and I'm not participating out on tour which is why I'm not making any telecasts! LOL
Why are you calling me names ?? I don't understand...LOL...heee heee heee
See, here's what is even more funny...., I KNOW I'm a hack....that's why I'm on this board,...to learn, get better and enjoy the game....call me that all you want there (insulting name withheld) !
why are you here ?
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JEFF
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 16, 2003, 01:35:58 PM
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take it easy LT, if you don't I'm going to get Mike Foti to bite you again...LOL
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One post you're asking me not to make responses like this and then to throw this out! Stay consistant or stay away!
I understand it....he said "be nice" ....after that, you called me a hack and were NOT nice....so then I guess he blasted you one....
I call it a "blast" because it's obvious it irritated you......NextLevel PS must know too that your chain can easily be yanked....hee heee heee
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 16, 2003, 08:08:00 PM
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I guess that it's all a matter of perspectives as to who get the last laugh......
Good luck improving your game! LOL
I'll have a better chance of improving my game then you will improving your cocky know-it-all negative "everyone's out to get me" attitude..........but that's just MY perspective....
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 17, 2003, 08:13:46 AM
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Good luck guys and good bye..........
NO,....PLEASE.....don't go!! Please,...come back!! LMAO !
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Fat Shady on October 17, 2003, 09:24:59 AM
Post by: Fat Shady on October 17, 2003, 11:39:48 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 17, 2003, 11:42:42 AM
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Both you and Jeff have come to assumptions that are comical which has now made this thread my "play ground". Thanks....LOL
what have I assumed ?? Above you said I made assumptions, I haven't used that word. Are you referring to what I said in my PM to you ?
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/17/2003 11:55 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 17, 2003, 12:04:13 PM
the biting incident he refers too ?? what in the hell is that all about ?
PM me........
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 17, 2003, 12:06:42 PM
Thanks for everyone's help..........
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JEFF
Remember, one who expects nothing....is NEVER dissapointed !
Edited on 10/17/2003 12:52 PM