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Do you struggle with?
« on: May 06, 2010, 07:43:41 AM »
Going from a house with synthetics to a house with wood?  Or Vice versa?

I hear so many people tell me...I cant get it to hook as much when I am on synthetic. Or, my ball hooks to early if I am on wood.

Guess I have bowled on synthetic and wood and go from on to the other easily. just bump in and go a hair straighter on the synthetic. I really dont see that great of a difference. How about you?
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 03:50:24 PM »
I see a difference b/c I bowl 2 leagues, one on an easier shot on synthetics, and one on old errrrrrrrrrr ancient wood, with a THS that varies weekly.  I think it's all adjustments and good ball choices, especially if it's a THS.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 04:20:45 PM »
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Going from a house with synthetics to a house with wood?  Or Vice versa?

I hear so many people tell me...I cant get it to hook as much when I am on synthetic. Or, my ball hooks to early if I am on wood.

Guess I have bowled on synthetic and wood and go from on to the other easily. just bump in and go a hair straighter on the synthetic. I really dont see that great of a difference. How about you?
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I am with you on this one. any decent bowler should know the difference's between wood lanes and synthetic. I have no problem with the lanes themselves', but the approaches can be a bit of a pain for me.

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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 04:33:37 PM »
Everyone points to the simplest thing they see: the surface.

No one really "sees" the oil and, to my mind, it's more important than the surface. I am NOT saying to ignore the surface, but let's face facts: the oil man can make almost any wood lanes appear and act slicker than any synthetic lane surface.

Just like it's hard, if not impossible to separate the action of core from coverstock of the ball, it's almost impossible to "view" the effect of the lane surface without also "seeing" what the oil that has been applied is doing at the same time.

The amount and type of oil applied make a HUGE difference on both synthetic and wood surfaces.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 07:24:48 PM »
I have been bowling only on synthetics for the past few years and just started in a league that has very old wood lanes.  The lanes have holes and pits and you can hear it as ball rolls down the lane.  They oil the lanes with a THS (sometimes), but man, to me it's messed up.  I think the lanes are at least 20 years old, but the center is only about 5 minutes from my house, so very convenient.  My scores have plummetted and I scored at whopping 117 last week in league.  Then I go to another house with synthetics and all 5 of my practice games are over 200.  

It is probably me, but I'd like to believe that the messed up, ancient, pitted, dented, wood lanes have something to do with it.

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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 07:25:47 PM »
It doesn't matter to me surface wise, the lane man dictates everything IMO.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 08:23:58 PM »
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Everyone points to the simplest thing they see: the surface.

No one really "sees" the oil and, to my mind, it's more important than the surface. I am NOT saying to ignore the surface, but let's face facts: the oil man can make almost any wood lanes appear and act slicker than any synthetic lane surface.

Just like it's hard, if not impossible to separate the action of core from coverstock of the ball, it's almost impossible to "view" the effect of the lane surface without also "seeing" what the oil that has been applied is doing at the same time.

The amount and type of oil applied make a HUGE difference on both synthetic and wood surfaces.
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I totally agree with this.  There has been plenty of times customers have come to me and said "I need a ball for synthetics" and when I ask what pattern they're bowling on they have no idea.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 09:23:00 PM »
I bowl at a house with both synthetic and wood lanes (addition after the fact).  I average on the wood 228 ths and on the syntheict I bowl 220ths in one league and the third league is 80% of the time on the synthetic and 20% on the wood I average 219ths.  I am rev challenged so I find I carry better on the wood as it seems to dry up faster making my ball move better, leaving less tens and week hits.  I ususally am accurate but don,t always get good angle into the pocket.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 09:58:46 PM »
Don't forget about houses that have lanes that contain both wood and synthetic on the same lanes.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 10:29:22 PM »
I think this question would be more relevant if we were comparing second shift leagues. On the fresh it all depends on the lane man, but once the pattern has been destroyed and the oil moved around they become entirely different beasts, but it also really depends on who bowled before you.

Second shift leagues on synthetics is the only reason I still believe in carry down. The lanes can be fried up front, but play straight due to all the oil down lane allowing me to use equipment that is strong but with weak surfaces around 4000. On the other hand if I pull out anything Stronger than a Freeze on my second shift league at the wood house I bowl at I'd have to do my best Robert Smith impression.

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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 04:07:02 AM »
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I am with you on this one. any decent bowler should know the difference's between wood lanes and synthetic. I have no problem with the lanes themselves', but the approaches can be a bit of a pain for me.


+1 here. The lane surface or the oil pattern should not be a problem for a bowler who knows his/her trade - it is a matter of being prepared and of adjustment. But I'd admit that the differences can be huge - reading the ball reaction is IMHO essential.
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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 08:44:38 AM »
I bowl on both and the difference I've seen is the wood has more backend or harder off the spot. I love and perfer wood lanes but grew up on synthetics. On synthetic I search for the hook erea (if there is one) and play off of that . But like most everyone has said it depends on the volume of oil put down.

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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 09:09:03 AM »
I generally see more transition on wood lanes.  Because the wood lanes I bowl on tend to be older and higher friction, the lane man puts down a higher volume of oil, but it goes away more quickly and dramatically than on a synthetic lane surface.  I tend to start with a stronger ball and play more direct on fresh oil on wood, but have to ball down and move left very quickly and drastically change my release and speed by the end of the night.  It's hard to get the ball through the front part of the lane by the end of the night!  On synthetic lanes, I can usually make smaller moves and stick with one or two balls for the entire night.

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Re: Do you struggle with?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 11:01:32 AM »
Due to my slow speed i struggle much more at the wood house i bowl at. To nthrow any of the balls i throw at the synthetic centers i start out the night going 20-12 and go deeper from there. Unless it's on a higher volume sport shot i combat it with Urethane and my Link. Going to drill a weak Slingshot for the summer league there
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