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dR3w

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League Pattern
« on: August 27, 2008, 04:18:14 AM »
How would you feel/react if you show up for the first night of league, and hear rumors that the house is putting down a usbc open pattern?  Only to find out it appears they have when you bowl on it.  Now this league is a normal mens' league.  One of the better leagues in the city, but the owner hasn't mentioned this to anyone.  No warning, advertisment or anything, just heresay.  The doubles pot was won with a 427 ... with handicap.  Typically it was between 490-550.  It would have been nice if someone had let us know ahead of time, don't you think?
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spmcgivern

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 05:42:46 PM »
And as for people being disqualified for not reporting correct averages, that has nothing to do with the original post.  The shot was "rumored" to be a USBC Open pattern.  That could mean a multitude of things: the center did put out a US Open pattern, people bowling on the lanes before league, or the people in that league are clueless and don't know what they are talking about.  Either way, the center put out a shot for the first night of league and no matter what the shot is, as long as it is consistent from lane-to-lane and night-to-night and it is a legal USBC shot, bowlers have nothing to complain about.  Learn to bowl on that shot and quit complaining the shot not being easy.
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los2003

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 05:58:17 PM »
it isnot cheating if it?s not a sport league. as a bowler you do not control what shot the center puts out every week. so you cannot turn in a sport average for a league that is not such. so therefore nothing would have to be adjusted
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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 07:59:51 PM »
I would LOVE it!

That said, the only problem I have with it (someone else mentioned this above) is the possibility of guys using this lower average as the basis to enter handicapped events.
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APheLion

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2008, 08:15:18 PM »
i would love it, even it means myself shooting 150

as a serious bowler, i never assume i can play one line to the pocket, i tried every single arrow during warm up and go for my best chance.
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tenpin477

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2008, 09:35:10 PM »
To run a sport league undeclared is blatant sandbagging lol.

I bowled my PBAX League over the summer, first time getting a real experience on the tougher lane conditions and I averaged about 165.

If I went into a handicap tournament at 165 I would dominate every single event, because my book average should not be 165. Its sandbagging lol.
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tenpin477

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2008, 09:36:27 PM »
That said, I would have no problem if my center ran sport leagues during the winter. I would love to bowl on the USBC Open pattern all year rather than a THS. But if your going to run a sport compliant shot, to not be sanctioned as a sport league is cheating.
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spmcgivern

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2008, 10:10:51 PM »
Please, someone explain to me how it is cheating.  If the center puts out a shot, and he averages substantially lower on this shot, how is the bowler cheating?  

Now, if the center puts out a shot and the people responsible for that shot make it hard on purpose and in turn only bowl at that center for an advantage in tournaments, then yes it is cheating.  Just because someone joins a league at random, and the shot is difficult, does not mean the bowler is cheating.  

99.9% of the time, the bowler has no control over what kind of "house shot" a bowling center puts out.  So to say they are cheating by bowling on a difficult "house shot" is ridiculous.  Not every house has numerous 230+ average bowlers.  Believe it or not, there are houses where the high average is below 210.  Amazing isn't it.
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Jock

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2008, 03:35:37 AM »
You just HAVE to be a young gun to even think of posting a subject like this.

I started bowling way back when oiling was done with the bug spray.

Why should you have advance notice of the conditions you are supposed to bowl on?  Isn't this why they allow a few minutes of shadow before competing?

This is the way bowling SHOULD be!!

Find out what the oil conditions are with the few practice balls that you have and ADJUST!

If you knew the oil condition beforehand, even the terms like "Benchmark Ball" would have no meaning and would cease to existe.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2008, 09:31:03 AM »
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welcome to how bowling should be.


Second that. This is REAL life: come to the lane, have NO idea what is out there, read the lane, adjust, and excel. There is IMHO nothing wrong witha 427 series winner - if that's the level of the day due to the lane condition and/or the bowler's ability to score steadily, there is nothing wrong. I'd rather worry if it was the other way, when you need a 700+ to be competititive and you simply know that it is a guiding cake shot that allows these unreal scores.

I also know the whining of many "we-always-used-to-play-the-other-pattern-why-change-it-I-cannot-score-anymore" players, it is human nature and lazyness.

I personally prefer these situaations, in league and tournament, because this is when I will get to know how good I really am. reality check, and I guess many players with inflated egos cannot handle this "challenge", esp. when it counts.

Sad, but true
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chrisleftwich

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2008, 09:38:29 AM »
What is crazy to hear from you is that most scores were in the 400's.  If this league is a good league with good bowlers then the good bowlers should have been able to adjust during practice or the first game.  

this is how bowling should be.  You have to actually hit your mark and throw the ball good.
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thirtyclean

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2008, 09:50:00 AM »
Our league hss a similar issue. We voted on a ten pin drop last year at the end of the season. The house decided to change shot, which they have a right to, and we are all bound by our averages from the easier shot. I am in the 210-215 range, shot the new shot all summer, which in my opinion was worse than a sport shot (A nasty reverse block !), averaged 188. I dont want to hear the garbage that good bowlers will adjust. Ten guys with my similar average bowled a complete summer on this gargbage and no one averaged over a deuce. We will be meeting for the league tonight and the lane guy will be at the meeting. the owner of the lanes was not aware of the drop rule, when he decided to screw up the house shot. I have problems with tactics like that !
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tenpin477

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2008, 11:29:47 AM »
You guys are all missing something. You are right, this is exactly how bowling should be, very rarely should people average over a deuce, and bowling should be extremely difficult like this, but unfortunately, its not.

To bowl on a more difficult shot is fine, I understand that, but to bowl in a league that is putting out shots that are sport compliant and not sanctioned as sport leagues is sandbagging, plain and simple.

There is a reason there is a Sport Bowling Average Adjustment Scale.
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novawagonmaster

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Re: League Pattern
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2008, 07:32:19 PM »
I don't thnk he means a low 400-something for three games...I believe he means a doubles jackpot which consists of two player's scores added together for one game.
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