Author Topic: What was the 1st asymmetrical bowling ball made? (Read 15662 times)

lil League Coach · « **on:** February 01, 2012, 05:54:02 AM »

Im doing a project in the shop and I can't remember what the 1st asymmetrical bowling ball ever created was? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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nobackswing · « **Reply #16 on:** February 01, 2012, 07:24:24 PM »

I might be wrong but didn't some 80s Roto come in right and left hand versions? Was it offset symmetrical or asymmetrical?

morpheus · « **Reply #17 on:** February 01, 2012, 07:38:07 PM »

First answer was correct...AMF Ultra Angle

al_g · « **Reply #18 on:** February 01, 2012, 10:50:15 PM »

Thanks for sharing that Rick. That's a good one, lol.

tenpinspro wrote on 2/1/2012 6:48 PM:Hey al_g,

Little bowling story for ya...I used to bowl with and drill for a couple of the big boys back in Chicago (Cariello, Sajek, Steinbach, Forst, Fahy..etc) and they came home from a stop and said that PDW had tried the "new" Ultra Angle and I guess his track was inverted somewhat because he got one of the flare rings to go "lefty" full roller...he never threw it again...lol
al_g wrote on 2/1/2012 4:51 PM:I'll throw the Axe into the mix. It came out the same year as the Phantom but a little before it if I remember. Came in a right handed and left handed version. http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/13-jpf/563-the-axe

I'm also curious about if the Ultra Angle was. I remember seeing one way back when and wondering what the heck was going on with it. It had some serious flare rings that no other ball had at the time.

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bambalam · « **Reply #19 on:** February 02, 2012, 07:23:37 AM »

While the Ultra Angle was one of the first balls to have a significant differential, it was not what is generally referred to as asymmetric today, since it would have had no mass bias, being basically a cylindrical core.

batbowler · « **Reply #20 on:** February 02, 2012, 09:04:28 AM »

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I've also read that waaaaay back when, they cut balls in two parts, tried to glue unequal parts together

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strikeking · « **Reply #21 on:** February 02, 2012, 10:51:00 AM »

The Angle Ultra is correct.

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bambalam · « **Reply #22 on:** February 02, 2012, 11:51:13 AM »

What is the definition of asymmetric?

If it means having a mass bias (all three axes have different RG values), then the Ultra Angle is not asymmetric.

strikeking · « **Reply #23 on:** February 02, 2012, 12:11:11 PM »

Since the Ultra had a core like an upside down Dixie cup, that is one end is larger than the other, wouldn't this be considered asymetrical? Symetrical is when all sides of the axis are of the same shape and size. It was the first ball that had a "flared" track. I remember when this ball came out that the ABC said it would be the last of the design changes allowed. HAH!!!

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JustRico · « **Reply #24 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:12:24 PM »

a symmetrical core ball is one that can be cut in half through the low RG plane or the primary pin and mirror itself. Unless it is a zero inch oin, it will not be perfect but it is still considered symmetrical. An asymmetrical core is one as stated previously that has a different RG value per the X, Y & Z axis.

Having the potential to create flare merely means that a core has a high amount of differential present...not asymmetry.

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Pinbuster · « **Reply #25 on:** February 02, 2012, 02:16:02 PM »

On the Ultra I believe is was the first fall with the core tilted in manner to cause significant track flare. The hammer balls before it had the pins near the center of the grip so very little flare was evident.

I don't know the shape of the core.

However, I remember a clear plastic ball in the early 1970's that had a Rose in the center. While few actually drilled them up I would say the Rose would be an Asymetrical core.

JustRico · « **Reply #26 on:** February 02, 2012, 03:17:59 PM »

It has less to do with the shape than it does the differential....differential is the potential core strength....the reason why there was limited flare in the Hammers were because the diffs back then were in the .020s range...not because they were near the center of the grip.

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Juggernaut · « **Reply #27 on:** February 03, 2012, 10:15:14 AM »

Do you mean the first "legal" one, or just the first one period?

A guy named Frederico Bendelari invented a type of assymetric ball way back in 1912, but it would be illegal due to the nature of it. It had an adjustable weight system in it, which would've made it assymetric due to having more mass on one side than the other.

It is patent #1,026,069

BowlinStr8t · « **Reply #28 on:** February 04, 2012, 06:34:04 PM »

I'd have to agree with the Ultra Angle. It wasn't a 'designated' assym. b/c they didn't have a mb if I remember correctly-that ball would flare A LOT! The first mb mark I can remember was the Phantom line. The drilling instructions with that ball was 7 or 8 pages.

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JustRico · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2012, 08:01:00 PM »

asymmetry does not dictate track flare....differential creates track flare

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Bigmike · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:28:44 AM »

I remember the video and book for the Phantom. The shop I worked for then, had the mgr go to the seminar. He came back stunned and not real sure of what he had heard. I mean this was really new stuff for a lot of folks then. Now this is somewhat common knowledge to informed drillers and advanced players in the game today.

If I remember the manual, they were the first ones to touch on weight hole placement as a way of changing the flare. Back then, weight holes and lay outs were pretty limited. Unless you used the Compu - Balance system, weight holes usually were 6 3/4" over from the CG on either side of the ball unless you laid a ball out axis or leverage. If you did axis or leverage, the weight hole usually ended up on your axis point. There was a pin on the axis drilling with a hole 9" called axis balanced and I had a couple of really good rolling Blue and Purple Hammers that were laid out this way. The only other lay outs that I remember was the track-weighting on the Vectors and block-weight. Back then you could put holes to the left of your grip (right-handed) because the track never was in danger of spreading enough to clip the hole. Same with the right side of the ball: The back flares never migrated enough around the ball to clip those weight holes either. The more dynamic the blocks got, the more the flare moved around the ball front and back side.

I remember the JPF Axe's had the mark on the side and also had RH & LH models. If you wanted the ball to roll the way the manufacturer intended, you had to line the axis point up on the mark on the side. This was supposed to make it roll like an axis weighted ball because it was on one of the cones on the side of the block.

Rico can probably answer this, but it seemed like the Phantom could have been one of the best releases in a long time and possibly got over-shadowed by the reactive resins very quick rise in popularity. It seemed like in our store that once the X-Caliburs got around into mass production, we couldn't get them fast enough into the shop. No one would even look at the Phantoms once the X started to get around.

BowlinStr8t wrote on 2/4/2012 7:34 PM:The first mb mark I can remember was the Phantom line. The drilling instructions with that ball was 7 or 8 pages.

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