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StickZ

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whats the right layout?
« on: December 29, 2009, 11:31:38 AM »
I dont know how to find my PAP or anything, i jus tell them my span and pitches and tell them where i want the pin cg and MB thats how i drill my ball, is that bad?
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 07:57:25 PM »
Yes that's bad. As stated above, you could get a completely different reaction shape than what you are looking for. It does not take long to find out where you pap is so just do it.
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 08:16:03 PM »
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Yes that's bad. As stated above, you could get a completely different reaction shape than what you are looking for. It does not take long to find out where you pap is so just do it.


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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 09:32:00 PM »
Actually, it's not really BAD, you're just not getting the most you could be getting out of the balls you buy.  Are you worth the extra?  --  JohnP
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StickZ

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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 07:25:16 AM »
exactly that i tell em pin above ring cg kick or w.e how do u get it?
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 05:07:41 PM »
PAP is the most over rated thing in bowling. It just makes people who bowl and drillers look cooler and try to make bowling more complicated then it really is. If you have a experierenced ball driller that has seen you bowl you should be able to tell him what you want it to do and he can do it for you. Ive never used it and i always get the reaction I want out of my equiptment.
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 07:55:09 PM »
A bowler that's willing to pay to experiment with various layouts will learn what "pin above RF, cg kicked out 3/4", balance hole 5" over on the midline" will do for HIM.  Same with any other layout.  For someone that wants a specific reaction shape without having to spend the money on experimentation, modern layout techniques are great.  --  JohnP
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dizzyfugu

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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2010, 07:17:17 AM »
PAP is IMHO so importnat because it is the only personal reference point on a ball to judge the layout.

You can ignore it, dill a ball label or whatever, and be happy that it hooks or works, and you might copy a layout from ball to ball. But to know what drilling works there for you, and to make educated guesses how other layouts might work for you if you want an arsenal with complementary reactions and lane utilities, then you better know you basic player "data": PAP, ball speed and RPMs.
This is IMHO no "insider" bullsh!t, rather bowling basics - both for yourself and for any ball driller you might consult.

Knowing a PAP makes many things clearer and easier, but you might also get happy without knowing it - but with it, you might get to know WHY a certain ball reacts the way it does, and how another one might be set up to copy or imoprove the reaction.
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 07:05:45 PM »
I need somebody on here to find my PAP and then I will find out how bad my driller really f... ed up my bowling balls..LOL.  I like the reaction of most of the balls he drills up for me.  I guess I am your typical "if you don't know it don't hurt" people.  LOL
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Re: whats the right layout?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2010, 10:41:38 AM »
See the "Unofficial FAQ stickie" at the top of the message list for this forum.  It has several methods for locating your PAP.  When you think you know where it is mark the location with a piece of white tape about 1/2" square and throw it.  If the PAP is correct it will look like a stationary dot for the first 10 ft or so after it is released.  You'll have to ask someone to watch it for you because you won't pick it up before it starts to wobble.  If you have a plastic spare ball, use it and the dot will remain stationary all the way down the lane.  --  JohnP
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