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Title: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Slopsurprise on November 17, 2007, 01:54:26 PM
What works really well for a control ball that is out on the market now? I have a NIB Weapon of mass Bias that I might use for this task but, I just want some different opinions and what work for you folks. If anyone is slightly rev dominant or rev dominant like myself that could help me greatly.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: revTrex on November 17, 2007, 10:06:02 PM
AMF Hei$t is my benchmark...smooth but strong, with decent length...900G Creature is even more even reacting, and gets even more length...

Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: NicholasE on November 17, 2007, 10:07:01 PM
I love my dyno-thane threshold. I can play straight and never get an over under reaction. I played the same line with the ball tonight for 2 1/2 games then moved about 1-2 boards left and it finished well. Ended up shooting a 818 series scratch. If you looking for a ball thats easy to control thats got a good hook to it, I like my Awesome hook. Its drilled to roll instead of hook and the reaction on its the same and finally have to move a board to two to the left by the third game but its got a smooth hard arc to it and I love it. And its got good carry.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: chitown on November 17, 2007, 10:08:52 PM
I really like the Anger for control when the pattern is on the heavy/long side.  If i'm on light oil the Blue Vibe has a strong controllable arc reaction that I really like.

Edited on 11/17/2007 11:09 PM
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: charlest on November 18, 2007, 05:27:18 AM
A lot depends on how much oil:
- Blue/Green Centaur
- AMF Radar
- New Standard

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: on November 18, 2007, 08:26:19 AM

Control = BVP Wizard


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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: balibowler on November 18, 2007, 08:50:00 AM
my favorite control ball ever was my weapon of mass bias. that ball got me threw alot of over under shots and nasty carrydown haha. ive had two, and when they were new, i loved them to death, but for some reason, both of them died on me very quickly.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 18, 2007, 09:09:28 AM
I agree on the WMB....I've seen it work wonders on many over under shots for dryer when polished...when wetter then dull...

The ball moves very smoothly and hits hard.

As to balls dying...(I hear so much of this.....)

I saw this post on Ebonite.com under Antique balls and clicked on the ONE.

This link I could not copy for some reason.

re restoring reaction...
5) My One ball does not perform as it did when it was new:
Answer: The One is shipped with a factory finish of 4000 Grit Abralon, and polished with Powerhouse Factory Finish Ball Polish. As the ball is used, the surface will be altered. Depending on what surface (Wood, Synthetic, the brand of Synthetic, Guardian, etc…) you are bowling on, the ball will start hooking earlier, thus the move to the pocket will be smoother. In order to make the reaction as it was new, you must finish your ball the same way as we do in the factory. Sand your ball with 500 Grit Abralon, 1000 Grit Abralon, 2000 Grit Abralon, 4000 Grit Abralon and shine your ball with Powerhouse factory finish. If you changed the surface at all, remember the steps that where applied so they can be repeated.


Thanks Ebonite.

I am using and loving the roll of an old Icon 2 and an Icon right now and a Reaction Roll.  I NEVER use sandpaper on particles....scotchbrite or Abralon.

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on November 18, 2007, 09:18:28 AM
For Control it's the Black Widow.  The ball is super smooth.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: RSalas on November 18, 2007, 09:21:22 AM
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Control = BVP Wizard


I second that.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: 102101 on November 18, 2007, 09:29:32 AM
Dyno-Thane The Thing Lives 400 grit sand with compound polish. Smooth as glass
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 18, 2007, 09:46:31 AM
Im really loving the Columbia Rival right now as a benchmark control ball.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: MegaMav on November 18, 2007, 09:47:58 AM
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Control = BVP Wizard


I second that.


If you're looking for benchmark control, any ball with PowerKoil 18 solid coverstock would be a great choice.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Slopsurprise on November 18, 2007, 11:50:24 AM
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For Control it's the Black Widow.  The ball is super smooth.
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For my game, that thing will boomerang and hook most of the entire lane.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Slopsurprise on November 18, 2007, 11:54:35 AM
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Control = BVP Wizard


I second that.


If you're looking for benchmark control, any ball with PowerKoil 18 solid coverstock would be a great choice.
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Not a benchmark but, a true control peice. PK 18 covers hook ALOT for me and when I want control, I dont want to play alot of boards. I am looking for something very even that dosent hook a whole lot but, when it does hook it is very contiunous. It must handle various oil conditions through surface preps. Maybe I am asking for too much? I know when I had an Awesome Revs it was very close to this for me but, it lacked continuation IMO. Maybe the WMB will give me this? I am open for suggestions otherwise if it might fit my criteria.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: charlest on November 18, 2007, 05:15:22 PM
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Control = BVP Wizard


I second that.


If you're looking for benchmark control, any ball with PowerKoil 18 solid coverstock would be a great choice.
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Not a benchmark but, a true control peice. PK 18 covers hook ALOT for me and when I want control, I dont want to play alot of boards. I am looking for something very even that dosent hook a whole lot but, when it does hook it is very contiunous. It must handle various oil conditions through surface preps. Maybe I am asking for too much?



Yes. That is a HUGE stretch, unless you have a release that creates a VERY even arcing ball, even when that ball has definite skid/flip properties.

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 I know when I had an Awesome Revs it was very close to this for me but, it lacked continuation IMO. Maybe the WMB will give me this? I am open for suggestions otherwise if it might fit my criteria.


Mo's ball's are nothing if not continuous, UNLESS you use them on too little oil. Then they, like every other ball, will roll out and hit flat.

Usuually, balls that are even arcing (control balls) are either for medium-light to medium oil OR for medium to medium-heavy oil. As you move into balls which can handle medium-heavy to heavy oil, most of them tend to be very even arc-ing (there are always exceptions), since that enables to handle the heavier oil.

So lighter oil balls, like the Blue Vibe, Burgundy Pure Hammer, Blue/Green Centaur, Jolt solid, Orbit Extreme (solid blue), Crisis solid, Bash, Bullet, Neptune, have very even rolls and ten to have smaller backends, UNDER normal drillings and for average rev bowlers, with average ball speed.

On the medium to medium-heavy side, balls like the Sidewinder, Wizard, ANger, Surefire, Horizon solid, Ogre solid, New Standard 2, when used by avg rev and ball speed people with "normal" drillings will have an arc or even an old fashioned curve type of ball path with not a lot of backend. Use any of them on too little oil or put skid/flip drillings on them and you lose - control.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Slopsurprise on November 18, 2007, 05:56:50 PM
Well, when I want control, I am up the back of it. eventually, you have to move left and come around it when the shot goes away and it hooks to early. With the Awesome Revs, it was great up the back but, as soon as I had to put axis rotation on it, it wouldnt do much of anything. It would give me a little hook and then hit flat as a pancake with no angle. A great peice as long as you were up the back and playing up the boards. It just got really flaky when I had to come around it. I have 2 other friends that had Revs at the same time that had similar types of games and it gave them the same response. I know some Mo balls are continuous but, some just are not continuous for me. Of course, I dont think Most Mo balls are designed with the rev dominant in mind either. The Seek was very continuous for me! A great ball. I am wondering if the WMB will give me the same type of continuation but, with less backend and a more even read than the Seek?

BTW, was that a Heist Haugen was throwing today on the telecast? That seemed to have a real even look. Maybe that will be a good idea???
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: scotts33 on November 18, 2007, 06:01:21 PM
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BTW, was that a Heist Haugen was throwing today on the telecast? That seemed to have a real even look. Maybe that will be a good idea???


Yes, he used the Hei$t on both lanes 1st game and on the left lane 2nd game.  I have one very good benchmark ball very even reacting.  Last AMF ball that had this even reaction was the Radar.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Slopsurprise on November 18, 2007, 06:10:37 PM
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BTW, was that a Heist Haugen was throwing today on the telecast? That seemed to have a real even look. Maybe that will be a good idea???


Yes, he used the Hei$t on both lanes 1st game and on the left lane 2nd game.  I have one very good benchmark ball very even reacting.  Last AMF ball that had this even reaction was the Radar.
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Is it real good on a wet/dry? I dont need no boomerang now. LOL!
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: scotts33 on November 18, 2007, 06:15:36 PM
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Is it real good on a wet/dry? I dont need no boomerang now. LOL!


Works for me with a 105 deg. pin next to ring CG slightly left of center of grip giving it a touch negative.  I like that layout for wet/dry as it takes off that over reaction off the dry.  I also can play fall back shots with a layout like that in older wood houses with a pronounced track wear.  Holds the pocket great and doesn't over read the break point and gives you good carry.  I put it away when I move farther inside and need more zap.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: charlest on November 19, 2007, 05:02:42 AM
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Well, when I want control, I am up the back of it. eventually, you have to move left and come around it when the shot goes away and it hooks to early. With the Awesome Revs, it was great up the back but, as soon as I had to put axis rotation on it, it wouldnt do much of anything. It would give me a little hook and then hit flat as a pancake with no angle.



Remember most times when you do that, you change your PAP. The Revs like most MoRich balls has a strong Mass Bias drilled for ONE PAP and depends on a consistent release to get the drilled-in reaction. Once you changed your release, the ball is a different animal. Based on that, small wonder that it was no longer the same ball - it wasn't.

If you want a different ball reaction from the same ball, even after you change hand position, you need to stick to a symmetric core or drill a 2nd mass bais/asymmetric ball for your 2nd PAP.

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 A great peice as long as you were up the back and playing up the boards. It just got really flaky when I had to come around it. I have 2 other friends that had Revs at the same time that had similar types of games and it gave them the same response. I know some Mo balls are continuous but, some just are not continuous for me. Of course, I dont think Most Mo balls are designed with the rev dominant in mind either.



Sure they are; I've seen tons of crankers in my area use them well and successfully. One young man has recently gone from Juniors to adult in the last 2 -3 years using strictly MoRich and is averaging 230 in a house where most good bowlers struggle to average 210. One of our local drillers falls into the same class. So it is very possible for strong release bowlers to use MoRich balls well.

Remember I say this as one who does NOT use MoRIch balls well. Only once in a while am I happy with one of his balls, but when I am I am very happy with it: Truck, Labyrinth, and LevRG are two of them. I failed with his Shock and Awe, Hercules and Minotaur.

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 The Seek was very continuous for me! A great ball. I am wondering if the WMB will give me the same type of continuation but, with less backend and a more even read than the Seek?



I can't answer that one. Ask king of the mill.

quote:

BTW, was that a Heist Haugen was throwing today on the telecast? That seemed to have a real even look. Maybe that will be a good idea???


The purple ball was a Heist. BTM reviewed as a fairly even reacting ball for medium oil for the average rev & ball speed bowler.

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: legend4life95 on November 19, 2007, 05:44:39 AM
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The Seek was very continuous for me! A great ball. I am wondering if the WMB will give me the same type of continuation but, with less backend and a more even read than the Seek?


It will do just that with a similar drilling as you had on the S&D. I loved both b/c of them being controlable. I still have a 15# NIB WMB waiting to pop someday soon. You just need to make sure there is plenty oil in the heads to use it.

Also, I suggest the Scorchin Inferno for the reaction you are looking for. I get this exact reaction from mine drilled 3" pin to pap. Cover is adjusted down to 600 grit dull for the heavy stuff. Love it so much, I have another NIB for backup one day.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: mainzer on November 19, 2007, 06:47:41 AM
WOW  I gotta go with HPP I have mine drilled pin under Bridge and it is smooth as silk doesn't hook a ton but it is consistent and smooth on any condition.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 19, 2007, 07:16:53 AM
Slop...

Well for my eyes the awesome revs has more backend than the WMB.

In our area and usually.

REgards,

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Djarum on November 19, 2007, 07:25:02 AM
This is a really good question. I'm sort of in the market for the same thing. They have been putting out a tad drier shot at my house and my freak is just too strong. My razor blade and fired up are even really stronger with the crisp backends.

What I am looking for is the old "Slash" benchmark type ball. I don't know if any of the companies make anything like that nowadays.

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: LaneHammer20 on November 19, 2007, 11:40:59 AM
Out of everything i have tried in the past 2 years, my Lanemasters Big bang has been my first ball i want to pick up, very controllable yet strong ball. I feel very comfortable when i have that ball in my hands. Will probably pick up another one for later down the road.

Another good control ball i have found iS the Hawgzilla, one big arcing ball.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: rhbowling07 on November 19, 2007, 12:45:51 PM
awesome revs, all ima say...awesome revs
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Grayson on November 19, 2007, 01:21:11 PM
lazy guy I am... just my oppinion:

Whatever ball yu want to use for the task of a "controll" ball keep in mind to lay out the ball accordingly...

smoother rolling balls with a good midlane read are better than skid/flip balls but I guess every ball can be turned into a controll ball with the right layout and maybe some surface adjustment... just my thought.

For me my Tsunami is more about controll though I layd the ball out long and strong
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 19, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Zanatos1914 on November 19, 2007, 01:53:34 PM
TRACK - FREAKOUT
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: T-GOD on November 19, 2007, 02:09:30 PM
If you're looking for a control ball, lean more toward a symmetrical core. I'd recommend most any Buzzsaw. The SuperNova is a solid that rolls very true and their new SN-XP seems to fit the bill in a pearl. =:^D
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: ups-44 on November 21, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
iv have really good luck with the apex intensity for ball control, even if i miss my mark buy as much as 5 boards it carries well into the pocket,
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: toomanytenpins on November 21, 2007, 06:45:20 PM
wmb i dont know ,the only thing mine controls is its spot in the garage. The odyssey is a good ball,the nvs is also good with the right drill and surface prep.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: APheLion on November 21, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
my favorite is the Equation
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: Dyno-Joe on November 21, 2007, 07:13:37 PM
You can get the WMB to be a very good control styled ball. Just get the right super symmetrical drill pattern for you. I also know any solid reactive with some surface and a 1 inch pin to pap makes for a VERY good control ball as well.
Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: novawagonmaster on November 21, 2007, 09:15:05 PM
No longer on the market, but I just drilled one up and absolutely LOVE it!
Lane #1 Pro Purple.
So smooth, it's like butta!

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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: c-hop on November 22, 2007, 02:48:36 PM
My fav 2 balls for control are my Sure Fire and my Fired Up. Both layed out with pin under ring and cg center of the grip. Both balls are OOB. Sure Fire is very very smooth rolling and can handle a good amount of oil. Fired up goes longer but with the drilling its a smoother arc of the breakpoint rather then a snap.
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Title: Re: Whats you favorite ball for control?
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 22, 2007, 06:52:06 PM
I have an Icon with a pin in ring drilling(about 4 1/4 for me)

Boy is that even predictable and where some good backend is provided by the lanes.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I had a sledghammer with a 3 3/8 control drilling weighthole on PAP.  I liked it and so did people who saw it on some days!
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