Author Topic: USBC Stand on Mustare's 900's (Read 6795 times)

MTFD24 · « **on:** March 18, 2006, 06:42:02 AM »

I seriously hate to even approach this subject, but here is an article posted 3/17/06.

http://www.mybowler.com/Pin+Points/2297.aspx
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:56:54 AM »

Always learn something good from Michelle on legal issues!

I didn't say he was 6 feet 3 and 250 pounds. I said he was 6 feet and 250 pounds. Unusual for a swimmer BUT he is doing it is a fact...how good I don't know. Also on his school's golf team....I don't know anything about that either.

If you click on his video...you can see him...his size and ability to toss that thing that looks like a pea in his hands!!!!

I did not see any shots off by more than an inch at the breakpoint???

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS there isn't a doubt in my mind that along the lines of what Mumzie said.
If I could throw with that speed and revs...there is no doubt in my mind that I would have MORE than ONE 900 in THAT house! I'm not doing it yet!!! But I'm working on the speed! And sadly just like her....I can throw real near 900 in my home house no tap...and struggle to break a high 6 out all the time! Bad gutters and carry...and soft speed on my part!
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Ragnar · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:59:00 AM »

Better than a polygraph, which we all know can be beaten, let's just put the kid on a pattern of his choice and let him bowl 10 games in front of witnesses. If he can shoot 3 perfecto's out of 10 then I'll believe him. My money (large amounts) says he can't.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2006, 10:37:16 AM »

Any bets that force the performer to execute and put no pressure on the money men are wisely refused by the performer.

All claims by bowlers on this site who have claimed they will go there and beat him or out average him...or will shoot their first 800 are wisely taken by the betting person!

I have heard so many claims about what people would do if they would go to this center and surprisingly....No ONE....is driving!!!

One guy on here(and I know he is one of the best bowlers in NY) has routinely offered to take him on....the rest of you...your cars are available!

Again note...there is no disputing...he has an 852 in league(no prebowl) this year....There are very few on this website that claim more than that!

Of my friends that have 852 to their name....everyone of em is AWESOME!!!! Every single one of em!!! I know about 3 people with that sort of score to their name!

REgards,

Luckylefty

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Ragnar · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2006, 10:40:35 AM »

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Any bets that force the performer to execute and put no pressure on the money men are wisely refused by the performer.

So, you're saying that he felt no pressure on the 36th ball? Hogwash. I'm giving odds of 10 to 3. He claims to have been 3 for 3. I'll even concede defeat if he can put 36 in a row in the pocket, let alone carry 36.
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astrodanco · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:01:33 AM »

I wouldn't have beleived it until now, but bowling a 900 is not as difficult as I once thought. I almost did it last weekend.

Here is all you need:

1. Recently cleaned and tackied pin decks.
2. Freshly striped and oiled lanes.
3. Typical house shot oil pattern.
4. Doubles bowling unopposed (moves things along well).
5. No annoying equipment failures or other significant distractions.
6. A good ball.
7. A little skill.
8. A little luck.

Well, almost. Even with all that going for me, I still messed up. I had plenty of luck and could have used more skill...

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:10:01 AM »

Thank you Astrodanco!

It SHOULD be done more often!

REgards,

Lukcylefty
PS regarding bet...he never claimed he could throw three 300s in every 10 games and statistics do not support him doing that. However...you going there and breaking 800 which YOU have not claimed but many have would be a fun bet to take!
OR YOU going to bowl him and say you could beat him...which YOU have not claimed but many have but NONE...have made the trip. Those would be fun bets!
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Ragnar · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:23:32 AM »

I'd like to shoe up against him. It would be an even bet; 17 year old, in great shape who bowls a lot and has a big mouth vs an old fat guy who bowls 3 games a week and makes no claims to virtuosity. Sort of like bowling on walled up lanes with no credible witnesses.
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CRSmith · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:23:48 AM »

But you still have to repeat shots and carry for 36 frames. You will change your own shot as you bowl. I can believe one 900 without too much of a problem. But an alleged five within a short time span? I have 11-300 games, and can't use the word "recent" while deacribing them since they average about a year apart. And that's just one. We're talking three in a row done multiple times. I'd have to see it to believe it. No doubting the kid's talent, but he should be playing the Power Ball with that kind of luck.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:29:42 AM »

I don't think he has a big mouth.

Seems to be very humble.

Again back to betting...anything that forces only one person to perform are usually not taken by smart bettors. Events that force two to perform even if pins are given make a lot of sense for both parties.

I keep waiting for drivers???

REgards,

Lukcylefty
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Monster Stitch · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:44:35 AM »

A 900 series is what we think is impossible. I give hands up to anyone who has accomplished such a feat.

The guys who have done it in tournaments or actual league play i don;t question.

But when it comes to pre bowling i don't believe it shoudl count. i remember back when bowling Juniors, our director use to tell us honor scores do not count when pre bowled especially if you are bowling unopposed. If you are bowling with another team then maybe yeah.

How is it does this kid PRE BOWL so many times? Come on now. He bowls 900 and his friend shoots 740 with a 300 game. Wow. How are these lanes oiled? I've only seen few houses which the shot is a huge wall when you get in that groove and you can't miss.

Just wait for the final outcome whne the USBC makes their decision.

SrKegler · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:04:18 PM »

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I don't think he has a big mouth.

Seems to be very humble.

Humble???

How about the statement, 11 in a row, bowling lefthanded, using a houseball, and wearing tennis shoes.

Kid lost all credibility to me. Seems like he's telling some tall tails, each one bigger than the last.

Come one LL, common sense says the kid hasn't shot 5 900s in a 6 week period.

One statistic that comes to my mind is Earl Anthony's record. He bowled over 600 TV matches in his career. One of the most accurate bowlers of all time, yet he never had a televised 300. This is just one mind you, not 3 in a row, 5 times.

PS, thought about making the trip up there to bowl him, odds are he would have to prebowl due to other committments though.

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El Capitán · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2006, 06:11:25 PM »

I have to reitterate:

NO BOWLER IS THAT GOOD, THAT LUCKY, OR .... THAT GOOD.
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stanski · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:37:43 PM »

I know of at least 8 great bowler that own bowling centers and can practice on whatever shot they want, and bowl league on whatever shot they want. Not one of them even has a practice 900.

Just look at how dumb this kid looks and sounds. He didn't think of the consequences, got caught in a lie, and now thinks that making himself out to the victim will allow him some credibility.

Just look at the stats for a reputable, very good bowler in the detroit area:http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=31649&mp=5986&s=2004-2005 Averaged 247, 244, and didn't break 840 the entire season. He works at the bowling alley and knows this very simple house shot backwards and forwards, and he wasn't fortunate to bowl a 900 once in practice, much less in the 2 leagues he also bowled there in addition to the many games of practice. I'm just saying that it is so statistically unlikely that someone can carry like that 6!!! times. And throwing FRONT 11 LEFT HANDED IN TENNIS SHOES just screams i am a punk kid that is full of it.

I'm sorry, that guy isn't even a power tweener lucky lefty. Walter ray throws just as powerful a ball as this kid, the average league hack has as much revs and speed as him. I don't know where you are getting at his "powerful ball," his form looks like junk, he's averaging 212 in junior tournaments on HOUSE CONDITIONS (they do not bowl sport as far as i know in jbt's), and he cannot shoot a 900 except when hes "practicing" or prebowling.

He is just caught in a big lie, and everyone knows it. There are plenty of tour caliber players that bowl on the softest conditions in the world and haven't broken 850.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2006, 10:08:47 PM »

There are lots of bowlers message me who disagree with you.

They've watched his form and acknowledge the power! Many of them say they believe 1 or 2 900s but not all of them!

For the previous poster...he did not say he shot 900 900 900... He's had a lot of other sets since that...many 7s and an 852 in regular league play....more credible???

Today I was talking to one of our local hall of famers...he and I both agreed 900 has not been shot as often as it should have because people get the Willie's about it! He said of course I've always thought I could do it!

We were commenting on a local bowler who went 300 299 and frankly was in the state of cracking at the end of the 2nd game! We both agreed he hadn't conditioned his mind to the possibility of .....

Also from my own viewing experience...I remember several years ago going to watch one of our premier bowlers a lefty on a very favorable shot to lefties!

He had been tossing a lot of 8s that season so I went up to see the buzz. Happily I got to see 3 games all start with 9 strikes.....then a variety of tugs pulls and other assorted chokes ensued and he did not close out a 300 in any of the games ending up with a low 800 series.

Next week...same thing!!! Next week....believe it or not....same thing!
9 in a row to start every game and then some sort of pull....knuckle ball or whatever to shoot 26X or 27X every game!

THAT's right...9 straight games in league starting with 9 strikes....not a single one of them ending in 300 and all three sets ending up in the low 800s.

I was impressed and yet unimpressed as I believed 900 was not attained due to cracking!

I believe it can be done...Robert Mushtare is a cooler more relaxed cat than this guy was!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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