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ThongPrincess

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When do you accept ...
« on: June 08, 2008, 03:11:42 PM »
that you have reached your peak and will not get any better?  This was sparked by the post about still wanting a 300 if you never had one before.  I am curious, is there a point where you just decide "this is it, no matter how much coaching, practice, or whatever things will not change"?  If there is, how do you know when you have reached that point?  Also if there is, then do you continue to practice between leagues to maintain that level or stop practice?

Thanks for reading and I look forward to the replies.
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Re: When do you accept ...
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2008, 11:16:53 AM »
TP you are not there yet. I would bet my big toe on that.
If you are thinking of coming to that conclusion you are looking at it the wrong way. You have had a good base for a good game for years and you have had some good coaches along the way to help you build that base. Your problem was (is)you didn't have anyone that could find a few little things that you needed to get to the next level. Those things are there and they could have been found years ago but you can get there.

I saw you stand and throw balls down the ONE board with your EYES closed for an  hour, if you can do that you can get there.

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If you are not cashing in regionals but are getting close (just 30 to 50 pins out) try to get some help before you bowl too many.

If you are 100 pins out or more you may not be ready yet. You still should seek help but you may have a bigger hill to climb than you think.

The topic in general:
The biggest problem bowlers face with getting better is that they don't know what is wrong...what to work on. More often than not bowlers are trying to fix the wrong thing or they don't know what to fix so they think that if they can just throw enough balls down the lane they will get better.

I will give you a few examples:
A bowler keeps missing his target so he tells me he has a concentration problem.
The truth is, concentration has little to do with it. If your game is well sorted you should be able to clear your mind to zero once on the approach and hit your targets.

Yes sometimes we have to tell our selves to perform a task like bend the knee or something, but burning a hole in the lane with your eyes will not make you hit your target. That is more likely to make you miss them.

I think bowlers would be better served to concentrate on what happens AFTER the ball leaves their hand. That is the weakest link for the most bowlers from Pros on down. After the release is when all the information is telegraphed back to us  information we need to make adjustments, ball changes or line changes.

If we compare bowlers to someone driving a car and you were following along behind them, you would see that most bowlers have to run off the road before they  see that they need to make a steering correction to keep the car in the lane. When you drive your car you make lots of corrections every mile, you sometiems need to do that as a bowler if the lanes are changing rapidly.

Another example is how much bowlers spray the ball at the breakpoint. We get away with spraying the ball 5 to 7 boards on league shots and still strike. In that environment there is little need to train yourself to be aware of what board you are hitting at the breakpoint basically you just have to keep it on the lane.

When a bowler tries one of the flatter oil patterns (like the nationals) it is a whole different world. Spraying the ball 5 boards in that environment produce more 150 games than 250 games. The problems is bowlers don't know how important the breakpoint is. That is where all the action starts to take place on flatter oil patterns not at the arrows.

The game has changed over the years and I am surprised on a daily basis how slow bowlers are changing with it. Even after countless articles that I and other writing coaches have written in all the bowling mags about the importance of the breakpoint very few bowlers are aware of it.

IF you are not using your breakpoint as part of your targeting system and gathering tons of information about the ball from the breakpoint to the pin deck you are doomed to keep running off the road and wondering why you keep crashing at every tournament.

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »
Thanks Ron .. FANTASTIC!
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Re: When do you accept ...
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2008, 01:53:55 PM »
When do I decide I've reached my peak and won't get any better?

That's an easy one: never.

I will always have something more to learn, whether it be about my armswing, different releases, my approach, how to tackle a certain condition, what ball I should be using, what drillings fit with which balls, etc.

Bowling isn't like many other sports. You can still be competitive as you get older. What you will start to lack in the physical game can be made up for in the mental game. That's why I love bowling, it's something you can play, love, and learn about whether you're young or old.
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2008, 02:00:59 PM »
The day i shot 300 I was lost thought why not change to the final ball I had with me and play up the boards with no hand. Threw 12 flush strikes and finally did it,  so never say never always try that 800 or 300 might be when you think it is totally bad night.

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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2008, 02:07:17 PM »
You can always get better. As the game changes, it leaves things to learn. Look at pros like Walter Ray, Duke, Weber..... you don't compete at that level for that many years without changing anything. All it takes is wanting more!! As to what some are saying about coaches is correct. Some coaches see things that some don't. I worked with a coach a couple of years ago. He helped my game alot then. then following that we started working on the same things over and over. I then went to see someone else and he picked out a few small things that improved my game alot again. And the biggest part is to WANT TO LEARN. To reply to the topic, I will never be at my peak!!
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2008, 04:37:40 PM »
I think you can always improve, partly because the game itself is so complex. However, I think you also need to be pragmatic and assess whether you can improve with the tools you have available (time to practice, current technique, money for coaching). If you want to make improvements you need to invest sufficiently in these. If you're not able to do that, then you have to accept that your ability to improve is going to be limited. If you're prepared to put in the hard work, and the money, then the world's your oyster.

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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 06:30:18 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  I am not ready to accept I won't get better ... yet.  In addition to the 300 post, I was teaching a lesson in health about setting goals.  Two of the things to take into consideration are ability and limitations.  So how does one evaluate honestly their ability an limitations when it comes to bowling?

Personally, I have put coaching on hold because I have not been successful in finding a time I am free and my coach has openings.  I do not have the desire to get out and practice right now, but that is just physical fatigue.  School is drawing to a close and it has been a challenging year, besides the fact I am currently in 4 leagues for the summer, and assisting in running a Learn to Bowl class Wednesdays.

I am sure once school is out and I get to veg out a bit, the desire to practice and work on my game will return.
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Re: When do you accept ...
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2008, 06:45:57 PM »
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The only time you will stop getting better is when your health will not allow it and even then it is only physically. You can still improve yourself mentally.


Well said.

In my case, I'm not getting better - just getting worse.
BUT - I'm not putting much into it, either. When I get the time and $4 to put into it, I'll get better again. Better than my best in the past? Don't know. Better than where I'm at right now? I sure hope so!
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Re: When do you accept ...
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2008, 06:48:41 PM »
There are many,many ways to look at this..............
 1.NEVER accept that you can't get better.As was said before,better at spares,better release,better timing,etc.All of these taken together can and will make you a better bowler.
 2.CHANGE or DIE.Simple.If something isn't working,CHANGE. A different ball,line,etc.
 3.Learn to nto only read the lanes,but listen to what the ball AT THE PIN DECK is telling you to do.So many bowlers watch the ball hit the pins and react to what's happening there.While that IS a good starting point,watch the ball go through the pins.
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2008, 07:23:43 PM »
There are a lot of young bowlers on this sight.  And I have to warn you that there will indeed be a time when you can no longer perform to the maximum you have set in your mind or what your mind has experienced in the past.  The idea of NEVER stop improving is just ignorant, unless you are discounting actual score as your criteria for improvement.  

I think as we get older, our goals have to be adjusted for that age.  Most people cannot keep up execution and performance after say...50 years old.  I know if you are reading this and you are 23 it doesn't really mean much to you.  But you will be there one day.  

There has to be the three Ds Desire, Dedication and Determination.  If you do not have those for whatever reason, then you will not improve.  If you have family and cannot make time for lessons and practice....you will not improve.  If you have budget limitations and are putting that cash in the gas tank, then you cannot improve because you cannot afford lessons and practice or the gas to and from the center.  If you are experiencing life changes job change, divorce, death of a relative, moving.  You know those kinds of things...you will not get better at that period in your life.  

But being at a peak, doesn't mean that you can no longer enjoy the sport.  I think your mental goals have to be adjusted and learn to love other aspects of the sport rather then score.  There's no guarantee in life that you put X amount of effort, Y amount of money and you will equal a 200+ bowler.  Simply put, not everyone can be a 200+ average bowler no matter how much time and money are dumped into the effort.  There was never that guarantee when you walk into a center.  So in leu of that, you have to find other aspects that you enjoy and keep you in the sport.  

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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2008, 10:42:51 AM »
Accept where you are now, and have fun.

Don't even think about scores, winning/losing, spares, strikes.

Just see the lane, and watch the ball roll down the lane.

Adjust on your shot.

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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2008, 11:05:36 AM »
I think it's something that's different for everyone.  For me, it comes and goes.  I have periods where I lose interest in bowling (currently in one of those now), and usually during these periods I accept that this is as good as it's going to get since I'm not interested in practice or even leagues.  When I get on an upswing and can't bowl often enough, then that acceptance is dropped and I push myself to improve as much as I can.

But it's easier for me, because I've known for a long time that I'll never make a living out of bowling.  Therefore, it's easier for me to realize my limits, and to change where I think those limits are based on my current situation.

Will I ever be a 220 avg bowler?  Doubtful.  But there was a time where I accepted that mid 190 is about all I'd be, and I came back in one of my upswings and got to 207.  Maybe on my next upswing I could hit 210. Who knows?
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2008, 11:49:04 PM »
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I saw you stand and throw balls down the ONE board with your EYES closed for an  hour, if you can do that you can get there.



Little did I know then how helpful that would be playing Scorpion.  Not quite ONE board, more like 3 board, and the EYES were not closed.  I played that line Monday and shot nearly 100 pins over last week.

Thank you for all the replies.  My conclusion is that one never needs to accept he/she has reached their peak.  The general consensus seems to be that once one does it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and the improvement slows or stops.
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