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When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« on: January 19, 2020, 11:03:59 AM »
Anybody know anything yet?
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 12:41:48 PM »
Rumor only, but hearing first EBI ball will be a hammer, announced in February, and available in March. I slightly more than half trust my source. Massive undertaking to get things integrated at Brunswick for the additional brands, wish them well.
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2020, 03:38:28 PM »

From a reliable source:  Production has already begun, although I don't remember which brand.
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 07:23:36 PM »
Quote from: notclay on January 19, 2020, 03:38:28 PM

From a reliable source:  Production has already begun, although I don't remember which brand.

Probably pretty safe to assume its Hammer considering that was EBI's crown jewel.
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 08:09:53 PM »
Rumor has it the first release will be a new Widow...seems obvious
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 09:01:39 PM »
First they need to re-certify the brands before production can begin.
Do not believe that has happened yet.

And they already did testing on an awesome new Black Widow prior to selling
Reports were that's its better than the Pink.

Remains to be seen if the Mexico versions can replicate the Hopkinsville produced balls
Only time will tell.

Not sure it made good business sense to do this in the middle of the season, they could have bought the company and kept it quiet until end of season.
Made enough balls to keep everyone happy and then had time to relocate the plant

All they are doing now is hurting the brands with no releases for months
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2020, 09:39:25 PM »
Ebonite filed for bankruptcy and later in the year was bought out.  I don't think they are hurting anything by not releasing anything right away.  Everyone has read the process and that more stuff will release as March approaches.  Bowlers complain about too many releases followed by not enough. Distributors are trying to unload all of they stuff they bought out from Hopkinsville.   I doubt they are wanting more stuff added to the situation before they can unload the "old".
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM »
EBI filed for bankruptcy?
#fakenews
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2020, 09:47:59 PM »
Quote from: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:40:47 PM
EBI filed for bankruptcy?
#fakenews

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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2020, 09:56:57 PM »
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 12:54:53 AM »
Some test balls are already out and in bowlers hands. Rumor says they are hopeful March will bring new releases if all goes well.
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2020, 10:06:28 AM »
Market share is great but doubt they were going to be able to increase their market share enough to offset the market shrinking which is why I am guessing they sold.  Cliche yes but true in business if you aren't growing you are dying.
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2020, 01:23:00 PM »
Quote from: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

From what I read, it was a business decision! All of the points you made above are true, but the penalties that they were going to have to pay to upgrade and change the infrastructure within their factory precluded them trying to stay in business!

I was told the govt cited them for quite a number of OSHA violations as well as major asbestos violations!

By the time they'd have finished remodeling their factory, they'd have lost of all the market share that they'd previously owned, making it an uphill battle to regain their bowling recognition and stature! Not to mention $$$ lost while not manufacturing, and personnel lost while being in downtime!
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2020, 01:52:47 PM »
Quote from: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

https://cases.primeclerk.com/aceto/Home-DownloadPDF?id1=MTA4MTAwOA==&id2=0

Page 61, down toward the bottom. Search “Ebonite”, you’ll find it.

Whether they filed or not, they are involved somehow.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 01:59:35 PM by Juggernaut »
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Re: When is Brunswick going to start making the Ebonite brands?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2020, 02:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Juggernaut on January 20, 2020, 01:52:47 PM
Quote from: Dave81644 on January 19, 2020, 09:56:57 PM
Nowhere did anyone say EBI filed for bankruptcy, its all internet BS.
The top ball distributors know who was selling the most products week in and week out.
IN fact, they produced top 10 ball sales by the month, EBI was all over the top 10 every month.
EBI sold strictly because of economics.
Only 2 situations where you sell a business,
pennies on the dollar because you are going under.
or you sell because you can't refuse the offer because its a crazy good ROI
And they certainly weren't going out of business, that's laughable
They were killing it in market share
EBI and Storm had 40-45% market share each
Brunswick bought them because they couldn't catch them.
EBI was a victim of their own success.

Believe whatever story you want....

https://cases.primeclerk.com/aceto/Home-DownloadPDF?id1=MTA4MTAwOA==&id2=0

Page 61, down toward the bottom. Search “Ebonite”, you’ll find it.

Whether they filed or not, they are involved somehow.

This isn't related to Ebonite declaring bankruptcy.  This looks to be a filing by Aceto Corporation listing all of the companies they notified of their [Aceto's] intent to declare Chapter 11.  Ebonite probably had dealings with them for chemicals/raw materials and was simply listed in the filing.
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