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When is it socially acceptable among the bowling elite for someone to have more than one bowling ball?  Let's take a survey.  At what average do you think someone should be at before it is socially acceptable to have more than one bowling ball?  

For reference, I refer you to this thread which has gone off topic:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=2&ForumID=73&TopicID=129998

If we can get some numbers here, we can average them together at the end to get a definitive answer to when it is socially acceptable for people to go out and get different balls for different lane conditions.


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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2006, 01:35:42 PM »
Very, very few bowlers NEED another ball.  Being on staff is nice, but I never really get to know my equipment, because I change it out so often.  Instead of tweaking the ball surface I end up drilling a new one.

But if I qualify as elite... not sure who does... I'd say you are justified in buying multiple equipment when you are 60-75% for your single pin spares.  That's at least some measure of ability.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2006, 01:43:36 PM »
i say 180 on a ths
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2006, 01:46:39 PM »
Okay, Ill post my 2 cents here too.

Ive only been bowling since March, but learning fast.  I've had people look at me and give me pointers.  I hang around the folks who average 220 and above.  I go out and ask for help whenever possible.  Usually, I hear the same exact thing, but there's always that one point of advice that always helps.  So yes, coaching is good, but its only half the game.

Bowling in a league that changes sport patterns every week, and practicing at two different houses, both of which are moderately maintained at best, I think there is a greater need to get the equipment that matches up to the conditions at hand.  When I started bowling, I was told that a Doom would be all I needed for starting out.  Too bad the Doom rarely ever matched up for me on any of the conditions I bowled in (most of the oil I see is medium/heavy to heavy).  So I asked for an Agent for my birthday and I only got better even though I was told by many to not get the Agent.

Experienced bowlers today are always asking or hoping for a sport condition.  I know people in my house ask for it and they get it.  So the need for a couple of balls exists no matter what skill level you are.  I for one dont really like it when I ask about an arsenal in a forum and all I get is "get coaching, get coaching, get coaching..."  I asked about the arsenal, not coaching!

Here's how I see it:
House Hack: 2 balls (medium/heavy and plastic)
League Bowler: 3 balls (Heavy, Medium/heavy, Plastic)
Tournament Bowler: 4+ (Heavy, Medium/Heavy, Medium/Light, Plastic...and whatever they think they need in between)

After learning what your ball can do, it doesnt take long to know when it does and doesnt work.  So if someone sees the need for a new ball to HELP themselves on certain conditions, then I dont think there is a problem with that.  And sure people always want the latest and greatest, but who doesnt?
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2006, 01:51:18 PM »
Hehe...it's not surprising that this pops up.  New bowling balls are so PRETTY, ya know?  

I will say that I'm actually the sort of "genesis" for this topic with my post, and I'm a big proponent of coaching before equipment, and a single ball arsenal (maybe + plastic) early on.  The strange thing with me is that just now my average is over 180 on a THS (though I understand it's one of the more difficult THS's in my area, really OLD wood lanes), but my tourney average has always been a good 10-15 pins higher.  I bowl ABT roughly once a month, and I cash a good 3 out of 4 tourneys, with a high finish of 3rd place and quite a few finishes about 10 sprinkled in.  I'm to the point now where I really do think I need a few more options if I want to win a tournament, as is my goal.  On Sunday, (ABT tourney final days), they will regularly have 2 different Sunday squads bowling three games each, followed by the semis for another 3 games, then the finals.  By the time it gets halfway through the semis, the lanes are REALLY different, and I don't have anything weaker than the Doom.  I also don't have anything to turn the corner on a fresh, oily shot.  So, I've decided it's time to pick up probably a Vibe and a Pain and perhaps something else.  I think I'm justified, and, in the end, that's all that matters, right?
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2006, 01:53:28 PM »
League Bowler: 165.2
Tournament Bowler: 178.4
Another gauge would be when an elite bowler ask you why you don't have another ball because the one you have is not for the condition you are bowling on! These facts and figures are pure speculation by a non-elite bowler.

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2006, 01:59:04 PM »
Hey Noy, you know if any coaches in your area have Bowler's MAP?  It's really the way to go, and beats any amount of pointers!
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2006, 02:03:08 PM »
I think that until you have a 160 average, you should only be allowed to have one ball: plastic with a pancake core.  Bowlers with averages like that only really care about how the ball looks anyway, and there are plastic balls in virtually every color you could want.  They're not good enough to hook anything, so they should be required to get it drilled with a conventional grip.

Once they get over a 160 average, they can purchase an entry-level urethane ball, with a puck or pancake core (like the PG or Scout).  They can get it drilled fingertip, but it has to have a label drill on it.  They are not knowledgeable enough to make effective use of a weight hole or understand what effect it has on ball reaction.  They need to learn to control their hook, and urethane will do just that.

When they can average 180 with that ball and average at least one clean game in a 3-game set, then they can purchase a mid-priced reactive ball.  No particles, and it can't have lower than an 800-grit finish on it.  Such a bowler is too ignorant of oil patterns and such to not understand why a 400-grit high-load particle ball is not hooking, and those bowlers really only care about seeing big backend reaction anyway.  Letting them purchase a particle ball will only confuse them with its smooth, controlled reaction.  They cannot, however, have more than one ball, so that urethane ball they used before must be traded in (like a core charge, no pun intended).  They wouldn't understand how to choose balls to suit lane conditions anyway, so having multiple balls in an "arsenal" is silly.

Now, once they pass 200, more options open up.  They should have their choice of particle balls, but no asymmetrics.  Asymmetrics are very sensitive to release changes (mistakes), and that kind of bowler isn't capable of being consistent enough to effectively use an asymmetric ball.  They are allowed to own three balls, but one of them has to be a plastic spare ball.  They need a plastic ball because they aren't good enough to just flatten their release for spares.

And finally, if you average 225 or higher, you have your choice of balls.  Asymmetrics, symmetrics, high performance, entry-level, pearl, solid, particle, reactive, whatever.  These people are the bowling elite, they truly understand equipment choices, lane conditions, releases, lines, the whole shebang.

Of course, this would require a lot of work and sacrifice on the part of pro shops.  It would, however, make it clear who the true elite players are and it would give those elite players a sense of being better than everyone else because they are allowed to have more, better equipment.  They would no longer have to put up with the ignorant masses who feel like just because they carry four six-ball bags to league every week, they're great bowlers.  Outsiders wouldn't mistake such a person for a good bowler because only the good bowlers would have so much equipment.  You could just look at a player's equipment and know if he's a good bowler or a low-life beginner.

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2006, 02:18:19 PM »
Why would you let it worry you about if it is socially acceptable or not.  I mean if you are a 170 bowler and it makes you happy to carry 10 balls and you think it makes you better go for it.  Who cares if those that think they are better think you are an idiot.  On the flip side who is to say somebody averaging in the 2 teens somewhere needs to have more than one ball to enjoy the game and be competitive.  It is all in perception.  You need to not care how you are perceived.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2006, 02:36:15 PM »
Fluff E Bunnie if your gonna call me out, then just come and say it !

Well now I'm "Bowling Elite"? When did this happen ?

You make me laugh at the way you take what I said in the other post and twist it around.

To me, I don't care how many nOOb bowlers buy 20+ balls and bowl in pratice leagues and mixed leagues, LOL !

If it makes people feel better to buy more balls, then damit, do it !

but...

When they avg under 190, then come and b!tch that they can't make a spare, or their is not hooking, don't expect me not to laugh !

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2006, 02:41:45 PM »
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I think that until you have a 160 average, you should only be allowed to have one ball: plastic with a pancake core.  Bowlers with averages like that only really care about how the ball looks anyway, and there are plastic balls in virtually every color you could want.  They're not good enough to hook anything, so they should be required to get it drilled with a conventional grip.

Once they get over a 160 average, they can purchase an entry-level urethane ball, with a puck or pancake core (like the PG or Scout).  They can get it drilled fingertip, but it has to have a label drill on it.  They are not knowledgeable enough to make effective use of a weight hole or understand what effect it has on ball reaction.  They need to learn to control their hook, and urethane will do just that.

When they can average 180 with that ball and average at least one clean game in a 3-game set, then they can purchase a mid-priced reactive ball.  No particles, and it can't have lower than an 800-grit finish on it.  Such a bowler is too ignorant of oil patterns and such to not understand why a 400-grit high-load particle ball is not hooking, and those bowlers really only care about seeing big backend reaction anyway.  Letting them purchase a particle ball will only confuse them with its smooth, controlled reaction.  They cannot, however, have more than one ball, so that urethane ball they used before must be traded in (like a core charge, no pun intended).  They wouldn't understand how to choose balls to suit lane conditions anyway, so having multiple balls in an "arsenal" is silly.

Now, once they pass 200, more options open up.  They should have their choice of particle balls, but no asymmetrics.  Asymmetrics are very sensitive to release changes (mistakes), and that kind of bowler isn't capable of being consistent enough to effectively use an asymmetric ball.  They are allowed to own three balls, but one of them has to be a plastic spare ball.  They need a plastic ball because they aren't good enough to just flatten their release for spares.

And finally, if you average 225 or higher, you have your choice of balls.  Asymmetrics, symmetrics, high performance, entry-level, pearl, solid, particle, reactive, whatever.  These people are the bowling elite, they truly understand equipment choices, lane conditions, releases, lines, the whole shebang.

Of course, this would require a lot of work and sacrifice on the part of pro shops.  It would, however, make it clear who the true elite players are and it would give those elite players a sense of being better than everyone else because they are allowed to have more, better equipment.  They would no longer have to put up with the ignorant masses who feel like just because they carry four six-ball bags to league every week, they're great bowlers.  Outsiders wouldn't mistake such a person for a good bowler because only the good bowlers would have so much equipment.  You could just look at a player's equipment and know if he's a good bowler or a low-life beginner.

SH


Wow, thats a little much to say.  You make it sound like a person isnt worthy to have a ball untill they reach so and so average.  And you certainly contradict yourself because your profile says you have 5 balls but have only topped out at a 170 ave.

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You could just look at a player's equipment and know if he's a good bowler or a low-life beginner.


Low-life beginner eh?  Ive only been bowling for 4 months and have been averaging 170-200 on THS and sport shots with a Storm Agent and spare ball as of late.  What does that make me?

I hope there was some form of sarcasm in that post.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2006, 02:42:10 PM »
I don't really know when it's okay to have several balls.  I generally carry four to the lanes just in case (including a plastic spare ball).  I certainly don't consider myself a "bowling elite".  I probably buy 1-2 balls a month and basically it is just because I can.  I prefer to try new balls and believe me very often I find I have purchased a ball that doesn't even come close to fitting my game.  I do believe however that you never want equipment to be the reason why you aren't scoring well.

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2006, 02:45:24 PM »
I am confused by this whole average this "***" carry more than one ball concept. From what I have learned bowling the little time that I have. Is that most bowlers grow during the time they own a ball; they learn different release methods and incounter different oil patterns. This causes the thought of buying a new ball and they should be more than welcome to spend their money on what they want. Not what the "elite" think they should do. Coaching and practice should be a custom that they do regardless of how many balls they have. Having more balls doesn't mean you stop practicing or learning from the people around you, it just means you have another tool in your bag.

The other idea we are running in to hear is the idea that your averages denotes the amount of bowling knowledge you have. This idea is insulting to many including me. I carried an average of 178 at the end of last years league, so that must mean that I don't understand oil patterns or the reaction of the ball. Maybe I am too dumb to understand the arcing motion of my particle ball reving up earlier because it's cover alows it to cut through oil more effeciently. Or the fact that it was drilled for length, putting the pin at 6"s from my PAP to get the ball further down the lane before the weight block takes it on it's final end over end journey. But remember that I am dumb because my average is lower than the elite bowler. Well, those of you with that frame of mind can shove that between your two ball bag.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2006, 02:48:27 PM »
I say it is not about average.  It is about fundamentals.  If you are someone who can repeat shots at a consistent rate (ball speed and accuracy), that should warrant the use of a second bowling ball.  I think a league bowler who wants to improve and take the game more seriously, should have 3 balls (One of heavier conditions, one for lighter, and a spare).  Sometimes you can be fundamentally sound and not average a lick over 150 because the ball you have is not what you need (someone with low rev rate with a entry level resin).  Sometimes just getting a new ball more higher end will automatically jump the average up significantly.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2006, 02:50:42 PM »
Nice post TWOHAND, that is how I feel.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2006, 02:55:41 PM »
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I think that until you have a 160 average, you should only be allowed to have one ball: plastic with a pancake core.  Bowlers with averages like that only really care about how the ball looks anyway, and there are plastic balls in virtually every color you could want.  They're not good enough to hook anything, so they should be required to get it drilled with a conventional grip.

Once they get over a 160 average, they can purchase an entry-level urethane ball, with a puck or pancake core (like the PG or Scout).  They can get it drilled fingertip, but it has to have a label drill on it.  They are not knowledgeable enough to make effective use of a weight hole or understand what effect it has on ball reaction.  They need to learn to control their hook, and urethane will do just that.

When they can average 180 with that ball and average at least one clean game in a 3-game set, then they can purchase a mid-priced reactive ball.  No particles, and it can't have lower than an 800-grit finish on it.  Such a bowler is too ignorant of oil patterns and such to not understand why a 400-grit high-load particle ball is not hooking, and those bowlers really only care about seeing big backend reaction anyway.  Letting them purchase a particle ball will only confuse them with its smooth, controlled reaction.  They cannot, however, have more than one ball, so that urethane ball they used before must be traded in (like a core charge, no pun intended).  They wouldn't understand how to choose balls to suit lane conditions anyway, so having multiple balls in an "arsenal" is silly.

Now, once they pass 200, more options open up.  They should have their choice of particle balls, but no asymmetrics.  Asymmetrics are very sensitive to release changes (mistakes), and that kind of bowler isn't capable of being consistent enough to effectively use an asymmetric ball.  They are allowed to own three balls, but one of them has to be a plastic spare ball.  They need a plastic ball because they aren't good enough to just flatten their release for spares.

And finally, if you average 225 or higher, you have your choice of balls.  Asymmetrics, symmetrics, high performance, entry-level, pearl, solid, particle, reactive, whatever.  These people are the bowling elite, they truly understand equipment choices, lane conditions, releases, lines, the whole shebang.

Of course, this would require a lot of work and sacrifice on the part of pro shops.  It would, however, make it clear who the true elite players are and it would give those elite players a sense of being better than everyone else because they are allowed to have more, better equipment.  They would no longer have to put up with the ignorant masses who feel like just because they carry four six-ball bags to league every week, they're great bowlers.  Outsiders wouldn't mistake such a person for a good bowler because only the good bowlers would have so much equipment.  You could just look at a player's equipment and know if he's a good bowler or a low-life beginner.

SH


Shelly,

I disagree here. I moved my gf up to a finger tip Hot Rod Hybrid, and she only has a 140 average. She understands the game alot more now than she did whith a full grip plastic. Now she only owns one ball, and will continue to do so untill she gets to the 150 or 160 mark.


I have a 190 average. I would probably have a 150 average if I was throwing urethane. NOT because I can't hit the pocket,(sometimes I practice even on oily conditions with an old urethane, pointing the ball to the pocket), but because the ball simply won't carry.

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