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When is it socially acceptable among the bowling elite for someone to have more than one bowling ball?  Let's take a survey.  At what average do you think someone should be at before it is socially acceptable to have more than one bowling ball?  

For reference, I refer you to this thread which has gone off topic:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=2&ForumID=73&TopicID=129998

If we can get some numbers here, we can average them together at the end to get a definitive answer to when it is socially acceptable for people to go out and get different balls for different lane conditions.


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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2006, 03:11:08 PM »
Never knew there was such a thing as BOWLING POLICE who decide for others as to when and what time in thier bowling days they can have a new ball. I further more have never seen a PRO SHOP OPERATOR tell someone no I can not sell you another ball till you pick up a percentage of 1 pin spares or have attained X for an average. In fact most advise you to have 2-3 balls 1 being a poly ball for spares. One more note who is to say that the super competitive leagues are for everyone some folks just like to go out with friends and have a good time and relax doing an activity for enjoyment. That is what is going to grow our sport and attract more people to it not being snooty and ever knowing blowhards. DECIDE FOR YOURSELFS DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE OTHER GUY, BESIDES "HE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS"
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2006, 03:11:15 PM »
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I am confused by this whole average this "***" carry more than one ball concept. From what I have learned bowling the little time that I have. Is that most bowlers grow during the time they own a ball; they learn different release methods and incounter different oil patterns. This causes the thought of buying a new ball and they should be more than welcome to spend their money on what they want. Not what the "elite" think they should do. Coaching and practice should be a custom that they do regardless of how many balls they have. Having more balls doesn't mean you stop practicing or learning from the people around you, it just means you have another tool in your bag.

The other idea we are running in to hear is the idea that your averages denotes the amount of bowling knowledge you have. This idea is insulting to many including me. I carried an average of 178 at the end of last years league, so that must mean that I don't understand oil patterns or the reaction of the ball. Maybe I am too dumb to understand the arcing motion of my particle ball reving up earlier because it's cover alows it to cut through oil more effeciently. Or the fact that it was drilled for length, putting the pin at 6"s from my PAP to get the ball further down the lane before the weight block takes it on it's final end over end journey. But remember that I am dumb because my average is lower than the elite bowler. Well, those of you with that frame of mind can shove that between your two ball bag.
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Amen to this.  I have made it a point to try and learn every aspect of the game and consider myself to know more than the average bowler though my personal average may not refelct it as much.  It is very insulting to compare averages to knowledge level.  I say the more you know about the game, the closer you come to deciding whether or not you need 1 or 10 balls.

One more trend that I see is people asking for advice on different arsenals or balls, only to be shut down with "get coaching...you dont need that..you only average 150 so you dont deserve that ball...etc"  Answer the question about the ball or arsenal first, then proceed to give advice on what you think.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2006, 03:33:10 PM »
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I hope there was some form of sarcasm in that post.


Too subtle?  I read it again, and I think it might've come across as more serious than I intended.

Really, I think that if you want to spend money on balls, do it.  The modern game, even for the intermediate-but-working bowlers like you and I, requires several balls.  I bowl in a few tournaments (not many, but some), fully expecting to donate, and I bowl in two leagues, and in spite of what the owner says, the shots are different.  Whether it's the way the leagues break them down that's different or because the machine puts down different shots doesn't matter.

By and large, I use the same ball all the time.  It's unusual for me to switch during league night.  But I try my best and sometimes my best isn't good enough to make a particular ball work.  I can't play from the first board to the sixth arrow, I'm not that good, so there are limits to how much I can adjust with one ball.

Many posts in this topic have been along the lines of "spend it on a coach, not a new ball".  I think it's great that those people have good coaches in their areas.  We don't.  We coach each other when we can.

Buying a new ball is like buying a new car (only cheaper).  There's that "new ball" smell (and not just with Storm), the excitement of having something new in your hand.  It always, always makes you feel like you can shoot the lights out.  More than half of the reviews include something like "drilled this ball up for league, shot 300/800 out the gate" and no way do I believe the ball is that great, so far above and beyond every other ball that it's responsible.  It's the new ball mentality and it's great.  More often than not, it's not some wannabe searching for the ball that gets him a ring, it's not trying to impress everyone else with how many balls you have.  It's that great feeling of having something new.

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2006, 03:35:55 PM »
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The other idea we are running in to hear is the idea that your averages denotes the amount of bowling knowledge you have.


I'm in the same boat.  Folks at my house are starting to wake up to the fact that I know what I'm talking about, even with a 170-ish average.

Clearly by sarcasm was too subtle.  I'm getting worse and worse.  Usually it's obvious, especially to people paying attention.  I figure people will think "Dang, he can't possibly think that way" and realize they're right.  This time it didn't work out.  Sorry about that.

By the way, have I told you about Merkin Bowling?

SH

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2006, 03:38:53 PM »
I finished the previous season with a 158 average, using two balls. One being my X-Factor Deuce and the other being my plastic spare ball. I don't know that I'll ever bring more than two balls to league. This idea, or opinion of "Shame on you for having sub 170 or whatever ave. and owning more than one ball" is total BS and somewhat insulting. I've seen some of the elite have pretty bad days. Should they have a ball taken away for that? Mind your own freakin' bag!
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2006, 04:13:43 PM »
I don't get the "bowling elite" part of your post.
I'm a fluffer, house hack...here's my input.

Knock yourself out...buy as many balls as you can afford.

You will eventually:

1. Think You need coaching.
2. Think You don't need coaching.
3. Think You need another new ball.
4. Think You DON'T need another new ball.
5. Think You need another beer.
6. Think The house sucks, and you need to change houses.
7. Think Your team sucks, and you need to bowl on a better team.
8. Find yourself remembering the "good old days" and how much integrity the game had.
9. Find out it's time to hang up your shoes.
10. So...have fun and do what YOU want...It's later than you think.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2006, 05:08:15 PM »
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I don't get the "bowling elite" part of your post.
I'm a fluffer, house hack...here's my input.

Knock yourself out...buy as many balls as you can afford.

You will eventually:

1. Think You need coaching.
2. Think You don't need coaching.
3. Think You need another new ball.
4. Think You DON'T need another new ball.
5. Think You need another beer.
6. Think The house sucks, and you need to change houses.
7. Think Your team sucks, and you need to bowl on a better team.
8. Find yourself remembering the "good old days" and how much integrity the game had.
9. Find out it's time to hang up your shoes.
10. So...have fun and do what YOU want...It's later than you think.
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Great reply Rich.

I don't think there should be any standard.  Yes coaching and practice is what will make a bowler great.  However no matter what level your at it's your choice and that doesn't bother me.  

For me equipment is part of the fun of bowling.  I like trying out new equipment.  I like trying new layouts to match my game better.  That's part of the fun of bowling for me.  I know i'm not alone on this.  So no matter what you avg. if buying equipment is part of the fun then do it and who cares what others think.

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2006, 05:17:09 PM »
Who cares if you're accepted by the bowling "elite"? Do your own thing...buy as many as you want....
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2006, 05:24:45 PM »
I am still trying to find out what the bowling elite comment even meant..

If someone that averages 125 wants to buy 10 bowling balls and drill them conventional, who cares. I know I don't. My point was if that person wants to get better, trying to get used to 10 balls is not a very smart thing to do. If he is happy averaging 125 throwing all 10 of the balls, so be it..

Its up to each person as to what they want, period........
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2006, 05:36:39 PM »
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I don't think there should be any standard.  Yes coaching and practice is what will make a bowler great.  However no matter what level your at it's your choice and that doesn't bother me.  

For me equipment is part of the fun of bowling.  I like trying out new equipment.  I like trying new layouts to match my game better.  That's part of the fun of bowling for me.  I know i'm not alone on this.  So no matter what you avg. if buying equipment is part of the fun then do it and who cares what others think.


I compare it to fishing with artificial lures...You can carry 4 tackles boxes or 1...I used to carry 4 tackle boxes for bass fishing...4 rods and reels...Didn't catch many more bass....But I loved buying the news lures they brought out every year.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2006, 05:47:37 PM »
There isn't an average at which one should should buy more than one ball.  You have to think of it in terms of skill.  I say someone should buy more than one when they are actually good enough to have a use for more than one.  That isn't dependant on average, because I know bowlers who average 190 soley by making all their spares, but their strike game leaves a lot to be desired, and if they had multiple balls they wouldn't know what to do with them.  
Then there are people like me who are inconsistant spare shooters, but their strike shots are refined enough that they can't get by using a single ball for several games because lane play becomes a big factor.  But I think that with either of these types, coaching/practice would be worth more than 1000 bowling balls.  Bob "I make all my spares but get 3 strikes a game" Smith would see an improvement in his strike game with a coach and then could start to take advantage of all the balls on the market, whereas people like me, Tom "Get 8 strikes in a game and shoot 220" would greatly benefit from a coach to improve spares (consistency, which would help the strike game incidentally).  
Compare me and one of my team mates, for example.  In a tournament (with qualifying, match play and the works), I would be more likely to win a tournament because if my spare game was on track, I'd be likely to average 220 for the day and have a few runs at 279, 290 or 300.  On off-spare days and days I didn't have a secure line, however, I'd be well out of the cut.  But my friend would make the cut (and likely cash) more often than I, because he'd make his spares and get the same amount of strikes regardless of the condition.  So he would rarely use more than 2 balls per 5-8 games as it wouldn't help him, and he'd rarely change his release, whereas I'd be constantly fiddling with my release and change balls.  But like I said, both of us would find a far greater advantage to get coaching.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2006, 05:48:52 PM »
a bowler should develop a pretty solid game if they want to benefit from multiple bowling balls, and i'd say someone who has a good understanding of the fundamentals and working of the game averages over 200 but that's only relative to how easy the shot is.
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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2006, 06:09:52 PM »
I look at it this way....you do what you need to do. You can bowl in different leagues, in the same house, on different nights and find that it's totally different each week. Or your house could be consistent. If it's consistent, then you can get away with maintaining a 190 average or higher using a minimum of two or three bowling balls. If it's not consistent, then you have a bigger problem. No matter how good you are, if you have a 500 grit finish bowling ball on scorched lanes, you'll have problems. Or if you have a really good light/medium ball and find youself on a flood, you'll have problems scoring. Of course you can have exactly the right stuff and still have problems if it's just one of those nights too. At the house at which I bowl, the patterns and volume of oil can vary greatly from night to night in the fall/winter. It also matters if your league follows another league. I "had" to buy several bowling balls last year of the light to dry lane variety just because my Thursday night league followed a smaller one. "Had" being relative of course. I wanted to keep up with my teammates in average so I "had" too. Of course I didn't but I could so I did. I now take six bowling balls with me every league night simply because a) I want to be prepared for the extremes, and b) because I can. That includes a spare ball. So that means I'm taking a heavy oiler, heavy/medium, medium, light/medium, dry, and spare. Could I take fewer? Yes. But I've got them so why not be prepared for the unexpected?

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2006, 09:35:50 PM »
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I think that until you have a 160 average, you should only be allowed to have one ball: plastic with a pancake core.  Bowlers with averages like that only really care about how the ball looks anyway, and there are plastic balls in virtually every color you could want.  They're not good enough to hook anything, so they should be required to get it drilled with a conventional grip.

Once they get over a 160 average, they can purchase an entry-level urethane ball, with a puck or pancake core (like the PG or Scout).  They can get it drilled fingertip, but it has to have a label drill on it.  They are not knowledgeable enough to make effective use of a weight hole or understand what effect it has on ball reaction.  They need to learn to control their hook, and urethane will do just that.

When they can average 180 with that ball and average at least one clean game in a 3-game set, then they can purchase a mid-priced reactive ball.  No particles, and it can't have lower than an 800-grit finish on it.  Such a bowler is too ignorant of oil patterns and such to not understand why a 400-grit high-load particle ball is not hooking, and those bowlers really only care about seeing big backend reaction anyway.  Letting them purchase a particle ball will only confuse them with its smooth, controlled reaction.  They cannot, however, have more than one ball, so that urethane ball they used before must be traded in (like a core charge, no pun intended).  They wouldn't understand how to choose balls to suit lane conditions anyway, so having multiple balls in an "arsenal" is silly.

Now, once they pass 200, more options open up.  They should have their choice of particle balls, but no asymmetrics.  Asymmetrics are very sensitive to release changes (mistakes), and that kind of bowler isn't capable of being consistent enough to effectively use an asymmetric ball.  They are allowed to own three balls, but one of them has to be a plastic spare ball.  They need a plastic ball because they aren't good enough to just flatten their release for spares.

And finally, if you average 225 or higher, you have your choice of balls.  Asymmetrics, symmetrics, high performance, entry-level, pearl, solid, particle, reactive, whatever.  These people are the bowling elite, they truly understand equipment choices, lane conditions, releases, lines, the whole shebang.

Of course, this would require a lot of work and sacrifice on the part of pro shops.  It would, however, make it clear who the true elite players are and it would give those elite players a sense of being better than everyone else because they are allowed to have more, better equipment.  They would no longer have to put up with the ignorant masses who feel like just because they carry four six-ball bags to league every week, they're great bowlers.  Outsiders wouldn't mistake such a person for a good bowler because only the good bowlers would have so much equipment.  You could just look at a player's equipment and know if he's a good bowler or a low-life beginner.

SH

In your profile it has 5 balls listed and it says you average a 170?????? Sarcasm????

Edited on 7/14/2006 9:37 PM

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Re: When is it socially acceptable to buy more than one bowling ball?
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2006, 11:13:44 PM »
When you say more than one ball are you including in spare ball in that or just a singlt ball for everything?
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