Post by: mumzie on July 30, 2003, 03:31:51 AM
I think everyone on this board should not answer until the requestor has entered a profile.
How about it???
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: Saw Mill on July 30, 2003, 06:37:58 PM
Dave
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If You Are Not the Lead SAW, All You Get is SAWdust!!
Post by: TyLytle on July 30, 2003, 06:39:25 PM
Ty
Post by: jjlamoroso on July 30, 2003, 07:16:55 PM
When reading a review you can be influenced even if you don't know
the "Bowling CV" of the reviewer. He or she can have a totally different
style or no experience. If the profile is not mentioned, you can't
get any interesting information from the review or the post.
Post by: Rock77 on July 30, 2003, 07:52:09 PM
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How am I supposed to knock all 10 down with one ball?!?
Post by: Gravy on July 30, 2003, 08:45:00 PM
By the way I had a lousy profile, and I updated my profile. Check it out and tell me how I can improve my profile? Thanks
Post by: Psychoballtester on July 31, 2003, 03:46:51 AM
I just noticed,I dont even have a profile.Well I clicked on the little
"blue" word on the upper corner,"-Profile(<<<<over there!!!!).All I got was a VACANT pop up window box,with the word HTML is ON:AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I've been a
phantom user,I'm a bonehead,but I dont care,aka mind!!
As far as selling a ball,I do that for LIVE people
in my area where I live,just to make spot moola to use for DRILLING costs.
So far the user names were GOOD ones,as far as buying bowling balls!I've bought over 40+ balls here,since I've been a member(accidental lurker,but I do post like a reg!!kinda).So far I've recieved 80% of tha stuff,the 20% is on the way!
I've never bothered to read if this seller or that seller HAS a profile??Was
I suppossed to?
Umm,I take it's good to know who is good or who is bad here at B-Reviews,I just didn't know ya had to make a profile,ooopsss,my bad!
Be cool,ya pro posters of the past/present/future!
Psycho.B.T
Profile or not,I'll still try be a doggone ok customer!!
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 07:01:03 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 07:07:25 AM
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Agree 100% with MUST HAVE A PROFILE. In fact I suggested it quite a while ago (for other purposes)and I'm sure others have as well. Some of the regulars beat me to the ground .. Id go as far as .. IF YOU DON'T POST A PROFILE (at least 20 words)YOU DON'T POST!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
I couldn't agree MORE with the above!! Joe, you and I are on the same page, same paragraph, same word here !!
I've been requesting this for almost 2 years! Big deal......it takes 2 minutes at most ! If you don't enter a profile...you can't post! Why not?--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 07:56:37 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 08:10:43 AM
TEMPLATE FOR PROFILE:
-Real First Name: optional
-Age: optional
-Sex: (yes please !
....just kidding!) optional-Area of the country you live/bowl: optional
-Hand you bowl with ?
-How many days do you bowl per week: league, practice, tourneys, etc.
-Speed: slow, medium, faster
-Revolutions: low, medium, high
-Do you know your PAP, axis tilt, etc ??
-Style: Stroker,(Walter Ray)Tweener,(??), Cranker (Mike DeVaney, Robert Smith)
-Lane conditions you see most: Lighter oil, medium oil, heavier oil
-Ball company prefered ? And/or arsenal list, strongest ball to weakest ball.
-Personal: Tell us a little about yourself: optional
This should at least get things going..yes ? Come on, let's make this happen!
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Edited on 7/31/2003 8:42 AM
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 08:26:54 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 08:33:44 AM
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JEFF .. EXCELLENT!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Thanks Joe! If you CAN get technical, then yes, that helps, but you don't have to for people to get an understanding of your game.
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: charlest on July 31, 2003, 09:39:00 AM
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not only for that purpose. But when someone is trying to sell a ball, I won't even consider it if there is no profile.
Ty
I don't understand this. What info would you like to see in the profile that would indicate something about a used ball?
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Post by: TyLytle on July 31, 2003, 09:47:51 AM
Ty
Post by: charlest on July 31, 2003, 09:50:51 AM
Then people put in their high averages, their high games, some crap about which high schools rules, etc.
Hey, if someone wants help and they haven't provided enough information for you to help them, ask for it; even suggest they keep it permanent by putting it in their profile, but to be nasty about it by refusing to offer any help because they do not have that info in their profile, when more often not, they have no idea that "we" have decided that that is THE protocol, is inconsiderate, at best. Yes, I have been that way and I know it doesn't help. It makes life difficult, but if you're here to help, then help.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 10:02:38 AM
your point is well taken, and with the exeption of one other post here, I don't think anyone is ready to be "nasty" to someone who doesn't have a profile.
My list that is proposed is extremely generic and easy to fill out even for a beginner/novice. There's not any technical mumbo jumbo there...it's quite direct and simple.
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 10:37:48 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: charlest on July 31, 2003, 10:42:35 AM
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CHAR .. What exceptions do you have to JEFF's proposal?
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Hit them light and watch them fight
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Joe,
None at all. It is fine as given
What I am saying is that ballreviews does not force a newbie to put in a profile, nor does it suggest what may go into a profile.
I think all we can do is continue to suggest they put this type of info in their profile and continue to offer what help we can, asking for what more we think is needed.
Until the ballreviews registration process offers such a template at the time of registration, there's no more that we can do.
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"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 11:04:11 AM
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
Post by: seadrive on July 31, 2003, 11:48:15 AM
BTW, the script that checks for the existence of a profile would be very happy with this excellent information:
"xxx"
So much for forcing people to enter a profile.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Rick Wunder on July 31, 2003, 11:57:31 AM
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RW (THB)
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 31, 2003, 02:09:33 PM
I thought BR was to provide everyone an opportunity to discuss, learn, and enjoy the game of bowling. Granted, not as many beginners will be asking truly technical info, but at the same time we cannot expect them to know their ball speed, axis rotation, revs, and such since they may not know. And since they do not know, they ask questions.
I've been bowling for 16 years, and I can't tell you exactly what my speed or rev rate is because I have never been to a center that has the equipment to measure that info. Therefore, I have posted a generalization based on what I have seen others at the lanes doing - ie. avg. speed, above avg. revs. Will that mean the same to everyone since you all bowl in different locations with different caliber of bowlers? Probably not, but I'm sorry, it's the best I can do. If you need more info, just ask - and if they are a beginner, please explain why you ask and how the info you need is relevant to the situation.
We all keep griping about the supposed decline of bowlers, but by reaching out to the beginners and helping to educate them is one small way we can make a POSITIVE difference to the sport. If we belittle them and shun them because they simply don't know something, we will surely drive away potential teammates and BR users.
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 02:33:42 PM
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Please, let's not become bowling snobs on here...
9- Please....snobs ? My list hardly indicates snob-ism!
hey, there's a word for seadrive !quote:
I thought BR was to provide everyone an opportunity to discuss, learn, and enjoy the game of bowling.
And what wer'e proposing doesn't stop that...if anything it PROMOTES 'better' dialog...yes ?
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we cannot expect them to know their ball speed, axis rotation, revs, and such since they may not know. And since they do not know, they ask questions.
Not asking them to get technical....just make some kind of effort, that's all
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I've been bowling for 16 years, and I can't tell you exactly what my speed or rev rate is because I have never been to a center that has the equipment to measure that info. Therefore, I have posted a generalization based on what I have seen others at the lanes doing - ie. avg. speed, above avg. revs. Will that mean the same to everyone since you all bowl in different locations with different caliber of bowlers? Probably not, but I'm sorry, it's the best I can do.
And that is EXACTLY what we're looking for...it's better than nothing, right ??
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If we belittle them and shun them because they simply don't know something, we will surely drive away potential teammates and BR users.
Who is belittling people ?? I don't see that at all!
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Post by: mumzie on July 31, 2003, 02:38:44 PM
I had the semi-technical stuff in there at one time, and don't recall taking it out - but you're all right - it wasn't there. It is now. Not that it tells you all that much...
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Bowling? Of course it's a sport.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 31, 2003, 03:11:54 PM
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I think everyone on this board should not answer until the requestor has entered a profile.
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Id go as far as .. IF YOU DON'T POST A PROFILE (at least 20 words)YOU DON'T POST!
Jeff - comments like these are where I was getting the feeling that some would like to "shun" those who do not enter a profile. I think Mojo made an excellent point -
quote:and I feel that not responding to someone (or not allowing them to post) because they are too new and may not know what to put in there would turn people away and make us all look like "bowling snobs".
Newbie's won't know what to put in there... I know I wouldn't have when I first started bowling 4 years ago.
I agree the info is helpful and I like reading about who is behind the screen name - maybe a nice reminder and request from the first person who responds to the question is the way to go. We are all on here enough to know who is a regular and when a poster is new. Politely directing the new blood is the way to go.
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 03:16:32 PM
I disagree with Mojo's statement...he could have guessed like you said in your post before, ...remember, something is always better than nothing. And, if the poster needs additional help filling out the template....ask us ! We can do that I'm sure......
Let's not make it MANDATORY, but HIGHLY recommended then......
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 31, 2003, 03:25:22 PM
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Let's not make it MANDATORY, but HIGHLY recommended then
I can agree to that... and I do like your template idea. I think that would be a good guide for those who are not sure what to put in there.
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Jeffrevs on July 31, 2003, 03:31:48 PM
Honestly, I think that is what wer'e getting at....
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JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: Saw Mill on July 31, 2003, 03:33:11 PM
Dave
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If You Are Not the Lead SAW, All You Get is SAWdust!!
Edited on 7/31/2003 3:45 PM
Post by: Strider on July 31, 2003, 04:11:11 PM
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I also have a different track than most so I don't think giving this information is helpful either.
That's exactly the type of information that is useful. If I'm reading a review, or a post asking for information, it helps me interpret the information given. If you post that you have an odd PAP, an inverted track, or a very high/low rev rate, we can tailor our answers to match. Like others have said, you might not knoe all the technical details, but tell us what you can.
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Penn State Proud
Post by: omegabowler on July 31, 2003, 06:02:27 PM
have your own response template! every time someone asks for ball help and there profile is missing technical info just have a boiler plate QA response like:
What is your PAP?
Axis rotation?
axis tilt?
Ball speed?
Preferred core shape?
Preferred hook shape?
Preferred coverstock?
Preferred pin placement?
Area of lane most often played?
Are you a tweener/stroker/cranker?
how many hot dogs can you eat?
just kidding on the last.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on July 31, 2003, 06:26:49 PM
I still don't understand why people would be so skeptical of asking for a PROFILE and have NO RESERVATIONS of DEALING WITH an UNKNOWN!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O