Author Topic: When someone quits a team .... does team pay for Vacancy ? (Read 9048 times)

trash heap · « **on:** September 15, 2009, 03:16:09 AM »

Okay here is another scenario. We have bowler quitting the league. He has agreed to pay and bowl for the next two weeks (Following the rules).

If his team chooses to stay after the two weeks, they will get a Vacancy Score of 120 with handicap figured in based from league rules.

Now this is where I am having trouble. Does this team need to pay for the Vacancy spot? To me it doesn't seem right to have that done.

I can find no league rule that applies to the situation. I hear a lot of things said but nothing in writing.

Is the Bowling Center allowed to charge (lineage) this team for a fourth bowler that they don't have?

Should the league expect this team to pay into the prize fund for the missing fourth bowler?

I guarantee if the answer is "YES" to either of these questions, the team is going to quit right on the spot.

We are hopeful to find a replacement but two weeks might not be enough time.

The Bowlers Edge 2 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:21:03 AM »

prize money is based on full teams paying into the prize fund, so they wouldn't be paying the linage for the spot, just the prize fund and then split the money 4 ways instead of 5 at the end. think about it, is it fair for a team with only 4 people paying into the prize fund to earn more money than a team with 5 people paying into it??
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NoseofRI · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:21:08 AM »

The way I have always seen it done in a league is that then need to pay into the league dues only as this is for being in the league itself. Lineage should not be charged as noone is bowling those games. Your best bet it to find someone to fill the spot. Ask the league pres and/or secretary if they know of anyone looking to bowl. The way it works is you are putting a team into the league, so therefore the team is responsible for a certain amount.

The Bowlers Edge 2 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:21:43 AM »

sorry, change out my 4 and 5 numbers for 3 and 4 in your case

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DanH78 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2009, 11:34:28 AM »

No one should have to pay lineage.

As for the prize fund, why not just figure out how much each bowler contributes to the prize fund (pretty easy to figure out) and then deduct that from that teams winnings at the end of league.

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trash heap · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:03:54 PM »

Thanks for the replies.

Another question on lineage. It appears that this has happened in the past and it seems the bowling center is charging the league by team. You are supposed to have four player team on that lane so they will charge you for 4 people even though the team only has 3 members. By no means is this meant to put down the bowling center, I understand they need to run a business too. I am just trying to do the right thing in this situation.

Here is my opinion on this (2 scenarios below):

1. Team has 4 bowlers. 2 bowlers choose not show up on a week. Those who choose not show up have to pay lineage and league fees.

2. Team has 3 bowlers (don't have fourth). All three bowlers show up. As a team they pay lineage for 3 bowlers. Prize fund they pay for 4 bowlers (By Team).

Just throwing this out there.

triggerman · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »

I disagree
the league has a contract with the house for x number of bowlers per week, if one person quits and now league has y bowlers, guess what they still have a contract for x bowlers. It is up to the team and the league to fill that spot
both lineage and prize fund needs paid

league needs to read their contract with the house

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Edited on 9/15/2009 12:21 PM

triggerman · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:28:50 PM »

quote:
Thanks for the replies.

Another question on lineage. It appears that this has happened in the past and it seems the bowling center is charging the league by team. You are supposed to have four player team on that lane so they will charge you for 4 people even though the team only has 3 members. By no means is this meant to put down the bowling center, I understand they need to run a business too. I am just trying to do the right thing in this situation.

Here is my opinion on this (2 scenarios below):

1. Team has 4 bowlers. 2 bowlers choose not show up on a week. Those who choose not show up have to pay lineage and league fees.

2. Team has 3 bowlers (don't have fourth). All three bowlers show up. As a team they pay lineage for 3 bowlers. Prize fund they pay for 4 bowlers (By Team).

Just throwing this out there.

contract with the house

as I said in my post, every league has one
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Krakken · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:29:49 PM »

quote:
I disagree
the league has a contract with the house for x number of bowlers per week, if one person quits and now league has y bowlers, guess what they still have a contract for x bowlers. It is up to the team and the league to fill that spot
both lineage and prize fund needs paid

league needs to read their contract with the house

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Edited on 9/15/2009 12:21 PM

This depends on the house. Brunswick houses will bend you over and make you pay, but most indicate you are only required to pay for the bowlers that are officially in the league.

After fulfilling his duties, giving 2 weeks notice and paying for them, the league is now down one bowler and should be charged accordingly.

The prize fund needs to be re-adjusted. You don't force that team to pay for the bowler that left.

If you tried that with me, I would give my notice, pay my 2 weeks and be gone too.
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triggerman · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:33:04 PM »

quote:
quote:
I disagree
the league has a contract with the house for x number of bowlers per week, if one person quits and now league has y bowlers, guess what they still have a contract for x bowlers. It is up to the team and the league to fill that spot
both lineage and prize fund needs paid

league needs to read their contract with the house

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Edited on 9/15/2009 12:21 PM

This depends on the house. Brunswick houses will bend you over and make you pay, but most indicate you are only required to pay for the bowlers that are officially in the league.

After fulfilling his duties, giving 2 weeks notice and paying for them, the league is now down one bowler and should be charged accordingly.

The prize fund needs to be re-adjusted. You don't force that team to pay for the bowler that left.

If you tried that with me, I would give my notice, pay my 2 weeks and be gone too.
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once again, it has to do with the contract with the house, that contract is set up to protect both the house and the league

the house is protected via guaranteed money, the league is protected via guaranteed lineage, it is neogiated at the beginning of the season. Will some houses bend it, sure, but the league should to everything it can to uphold the contract and that means finding a replacement., when the next contract comes around, and the last was fulfilled perfectly, the house is in a more leaue freindly mood and will often times work a better deal
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triggerman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »

and the reason most leagues have the two week rule is because they feel they can find a replacement in that amount of time

having run multiple leagues, its been this way for a long long time
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trash heap · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2009, 01:52:07 PM »

Thanks triggerman,

I understand about the contract. It makes sense.

If a Team has 3 bowlers (don't have fourth). All three bowlers show up. As a team they pay lineage for 4 bowlers. Prize fund they pay for 4 bowlers. Contract with bowling center and league must be kept.
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Another scenario (Not trying to be a pain...just taking it to another level)

What if 2 teams quit. Is the league still responsible to pay for those 8 bowlers?

No matter what situation is 1 bowler, 2 bowlers, 1 team, or 2 teams quitting. I think it would be in the best interest that the League Officers talk to the Bowling Center and get their view on the matter. There is area here to work with. Working on the problem so it benefits both Bowling Center and the League.

triggerman · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2009, 02:16:36 PM »

in your second example it would benefit the league to redo the contract if you lose 2 teams, got to remember the house wants their money, but most will work with you. contracts are typically slated around teams, IE 1 teams of 5, 20 teams of 3 etc. and most houses in this day know that teams leeave, most of the houses I work with will slide on the lineage, but ask that you fill it, most houses will help fill it, at least in our area they do

quote:
Thanks triggerman,

I understand about the contract. It makes sense.

If a Team has 3 bowlers (don't have fourth). All three bowlers show up. As a team they pay lineage for 4 bowlers. Prize fund they pay for 4 bowlers. Contract with bowling center and league must be kept.
.

Another scenario (Not trying to be a pain...just taking it to another level)

What if 2 teams quit. Is the league still responsible to pay for those 8 bowlers?

No matter what situation is 1 bowler, 2 bowlers, 1 team, or 2 teams quitting. I think it would be in the best interest that the League Officers talk to the Bowling Center and get their view on the matter. There is area here to work with. Working on the problem so it benefits both Bowling Center and the League.

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echidapus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2009, 02:27:10 PM »

So a league has 19 teams and agrees to pay x for the season for 19 teams. 3 weeks into the season they find a team to make it an even 20.

Does the contract then change for 20 teams? If it does change for an increase in teams, isn't it fair for it to then change if you lose a team?

I'm pretty sure a house would want to have more money for the extra team although they aren't taking up more lanes or space or time.

triggerman · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2009, 02:42:53 PM »

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So a league has 19 teams and agrees to pay x for the season for 19 teams. 3 weeks into the season they find a team to make it an even 20.

Does the contract then change for 20 teams? If it does change for an increase in teams, isn't it fair for it to then change if you lose a team?

I'm pretty sure a house would want to have more money for the extra team although they aren't taking up more lanes or space or time.

most of the contracts I have seen are fairly open ended, our current contract stated up to 10 teams of 5 (thats what the house gave us lanes for) we originally only had 8, show up to league and they say we have 11, house moved us agreed to try and find another team, we only had 10 anyway so no big deal, but the house was willing to work the contract based upon the number of teams we started with if we started with 8 teams of 5 that is 40 guys at 10.50 a night lineage, our contract was for a minimum of 425.00 per night, with openings for two more teams

Like I said when it comes to teams they are more open, but one bowler, not so open, no league anywhere wants a team to run one bowler short all year. it does 2 things, throws off lineage, and puts said team at a great disadvantage
team to individual, apples to oranges
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