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oldschoolbowler

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where do u see the game in 20 years?
« on: July 22, 2011, 01:04:30 PM »
im new to this site and this is post.

I have been bowling since well the 60's ive bowled with rubber, plastic,urethane all the way up to the new high tech balls of today. Ive had lots of success in the game with many honor scores shot before and after the introduction of resin and pearlized and hybrid covers and weight blocks. But i cant help but be amazed at the state the game is at now when a person starts bowling and averages 200 in their first season its one of three things, phenominal talent, tons of practice, or a product of the what most of us a have became accustome too as a THS. My question for you is how far is this game going to advance. Ive bowled with the several former touring players in my days and asked them this question 20 yrs ago, one said "i see scores continue to climb, true talent being replaced with the ability to turn the ball" another said " as long as they continue to tranform the game luck and chance will play major roles in determining who wins". So what do you think the game is going to be like in twenty years?


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 04:33:33 PM »
Honestly it may go in the hamper.  The economy is killing the sport in many areas of the country.  The Pro Tour is in reality no tour and just a bunch of guys sitting around bowling on tv.  Sanctioned bowlers are in a major decline.  Coaches are declining from what I have been told.  Balls are now made in China and Mexico along with shoes and just about everything else.  The cost of owning a bowling center and making it work is mind boggling.  League fees are almost to the point of too expensive.   Leagues are declining and some associations really don't care as long as their little worlds are left alone.   There are some serious issues with the sport and that is just a few.
 
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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 06:00:31 PM »
While I was spending hours of reflection on this question, trying to find a way to hack my reply down from a page long, multi chaptered dissertation, Smash has summed it up most efficiently and eloquently.

 

 I'm afraid that, if things don't change, bowling won't exist in another twenty years. If it does, it surely won't be in the form or format that we see it in today.

 

 


 


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 08:08:15 PM »
Thanks for the reply, i feel the same i just wanted to see if anyone else thought that this game we obviously all love was heading in same direction. I have at times thought about trying to find a couple old duckpin lanes now that is something id like to see make a comeback but maybe its the whisky and thinking back to the fun of having to make repetitive shots to score.


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 09:20:19 PM »
In 20 years everyone will still be making bigger hooking balls for "todays new oils". Everyone will be scoring higher then ever. At least three 900s a year will be shot. 800s and 300s will have increased exponentially. USBC will still be the governing body. Chris barnes will be the President of USBC.

 

 


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 06:55:13 AM »
In 20 years I think that bowling will still be what it is today, the governing body will be under scrutiny from X amount of bowlers, ball companies will be putting out ball after ball and bowlers will still be putting up enormous numbers that some bowlers will complain about. The only difference I see is that within the decline of the sport quite a few lane beds will disappear and some leagues will benefit from this and have more bowlers than they ever did. The number of bowlers in a general area may have declined, but with less lane beds they are confined to certain facilities.


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 08:33:01 AM »
In addition to the comments mentioned above, I would like to add a few thoughts.

 

In the past 20 years, 5 different houses have closed up in my county. With the economy as bad as it is, I really would not be surprised if a couple more shut down in the next 20. Same thing for the stand alone pro shops too. There are only a couple shops operating in the area that aren't part of a bowling center. With the decline of active bowlers and the rising costs of running a business, the independent pro shops are really struggling to survive.

 

The pro tour as it is today is a mess to say the least! You see a lot of the same people week after week. ESPN needs to quit recording shows ahead of time and then showing them well after the tourny has been over for a while. In this day and age of modern technology we already know who won and what ball they were throwing when they won it. Where did the live telecasts go? And who is doing the schedule? Remember when the tour was a real tour that went all over the country and not just a showcase for some place in Nevada? If this trend continues, the pro tour won't be around in 20 years or even 10 for that matter!

 

In the next 20 years, the bowling ball companies will still continue to do their usual thing. Every few seasons they will produce a new and "revolutionary" ball that will drive up averages a few more pins and give the average bowler a better chance of scoring higher. I really don't have an issue with this as long as the bowling centers change the oil patterns to match the changes and keep the shot competitive for us. I hate to say it but I think we will see more balls produced outside of the U.S. due to rising production costs. I am a Storm / Roto guy and I hope they keep production in Utah for a very long time.

 

I have been bowling for the past 35 years and I plan on bowling for at least 35 more. As much as the game has changed and as much as I complain, it still is as much fun for me now as it was then. I still love the competition with other bowlers like me. I enjoy meeting my friends every week and forgetting about work and other streesful things for a few hours. In the end we are all reading this and complaing for the same reason.

It's because we still love the game.



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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 09:06:02 AM »
well said sir, and i agree with you if the houses will alter the shot to maintain some competitiveness and not just a carry fest than i see the game surviving for the true bowling loyalists. Scores are good for business but when its at times as easy as getting it between the 5 and 14 board if i cross between the 3rd and 4th arrow and your shooting honor scores it really takes the prestige of having 300 or 800's even as a honor score i saw something the other day on here where 850 is saying you shot someting now! maybe im old maybe im hating to see the game change so much but i still go out and usually whoop the young guys.


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 02:08:01 PM »
I believe you will continue to see a decline in sanctioned bowlers.

 

Because the number of regular bowlers will dwindle, bowling centers in smaller population areas will disappear and the number of centers in larger population areas will decline some as well. The scoring pace will continue to go up as centers feel high scoring attracks bowlers and they are right.

 

Bowling will have gone from a game of the masses to a fringe recreation.

 

The PBA will go to just a few national tournaments around a couple of majors (US Open, Masters). The regional tour will continue pretty much as today.

 

As long a bowlers think the latest ball introduced is better, the manufactures will continue to introduce a steady stream of "new" balls.

 

And as long as the emphasis seems to be on equipment rather than a bowlers skill this trend will continue.

 

 

 

 



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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 12:35:30 PM »
I see league bowling going completely away.  Maybe not in 20, but most likely in 50 years - unless there is a major social upheaval that rejects the current trend of non-physical contact/communication between people.  I see bowling alleys turning into fun centers - a convenient drop off for parents that would rather dump their kids here than pay a qualified sitter or *gasp* actually spend time raising their offspring.

 

I see bowling as messy settee areas where snacks and pop are stuck together in a corn-syrupy glue.  Approaches that are warped and sticky, foul lights are a long lost relic of the old game.  The score monitor will be gone, replaced by a giant LED score light at the end of the lane that doesn't bother showing the actual results by frame, but just the cumulative score.  Seating will be gone, and on the back of the ball return the hand dryer will be replaced with a ticket dispenser.  One ticket for a game of 50, two tickets for a game of 150, three for a game over 200, four for a game of 250, and a whopping 6 tickets for a 300 - to be redeemed at the counter for cheap trinkets.

 

Although I could be completely wrong.  Maybe in 20 years the droid/iphone and mobile app craze will be uncool - you know, what the old farts like to do.  The young, hip generation may be getting involved in physical activities such as sports, going to a mall, and actually seeing, touching, and hanging out with fellow human beings could be in vogue again.  So there is hope...

 

 


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 01:36:37 PM »
In 20-years, there will be an iPad app that will throw the ball for you....oh wai...


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 04:56:16 PM »
Zager and Evans didn't mention bowling in their song In The Year 2525, but I'm pretty sure that bowling will disappear before then and probably long before then.


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 11:37:33 PM »

 



9andaWiggle wrote on 25.07.2011 12:35 PM:
I see league bowling going completely away.  Maybe not in 20, but most likely in 50 years - unless there is a major social upheaval that rejects the current trend of non-physical contact/communication between people.  I see bowling alleys turning into fun centers - a convenient drop off for parents that would rather dump their kids here than pay a qualified sitter or *gasp* actually spend time raising their offspring.

 

Totally agree. From the local situation here, I'd say that bowling will prevail, but it become more and more entertainment-oriented. Most lanes around here that popped up cater to social bowlers or are part of casinos. Prices are high, sport standards are low. I see less and less houses keep up sport bowling standards, and this gap is IMHO growing.

 

Another basic thing I fear is what 9~ mentioned: lack of new bowlers who are interested in the sport, not wii bowling. This affects other areas, too (like model kit building, a personal hobby which also loses battle against effortless virtual distractions and against lack of of dedicated concentration on one thing for more than 30 minutes...), though, so youth programs are IMO a VERY important basic initiative for bowling as a sport.

 

Besides, I am amused to watch (we get telecasts here from time to time, but with huge time lags) how the PBA goes on or better turns into a mummy. This is no sport, it is just entertainment where some talented people get paid for rolling equipment of certain companies. You see the same faces again and again - it is boring to me. I wonder how long this actually CAN go on?


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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 10:08:21 AM »
The biggest positives I see are in the youth movement..  High school and college bowling are actually increasing.  High school is on the THS, but most college tournaments are on sport shots that require shot making and equipment management.  If the USA Bowling can take hold, it could really grow the sport aspect for the younger kids.  My son participated and was lucky enough to have 2 female college bowlers giving his team weekly practice lessons along with competition.  This is trying to get bowling away from the typical Saturday morning competition and nothing else to having practice/lessons along with competition.  Youth football is getting ready to start here and they practice 3-4 times per week. 

 

I spoke with a local college coach and he indicated a few more schools are scheduled to join next year that would push the number of programs to over 200.  His program had over 40 students try out for the men and women combined.  He indicated some of the larger programs get close to 70.

 

A former touring pro has been able to keep himself busy as a full-time coach.  About 80% come from high school students competing on their school team.  Unfortunately, he indicated my wife and I are two of the few adults he has.  It seems the THS doesn't require a lot of coaching or practice to be good. 

 

It's going to take a while, but hopefully we can build up kids that like to bowl and want to compete.  Yeah, that's the optimist in me, but otherwise I'd have to quit again.



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Re: where do u see the game in 20 years?
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 11:29:23 AM »
Sanctioned league membership is probably close to bottoming out.  I don't think it goes much lower, but will never recover to 1960-80 levels.  PBA tour best chance to recover is to go international and merge with organizations that are relatively healthy around the world.

 

In short, bowling will look a lot like golf with only a relatively small percentage of particpants being members of sanctioned ( USBC, USGA ) organizations. 

 

Biggest danger to competitive scratch bowling at local levels is that proprietors may consider such a niche group to be too unprofitable to even support.