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Nicanor

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Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« on: May 05, 2010, 12:14:29 PM »
If we only pay $10 to National USBC where does the rest of the money go if you''re paying $20 for a USBC santioning card?  Who pays for awards?  Local or National office?  


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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2010, 09:08:17 PM »
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nicanor,

$9 local dues... some of that goes to paying the association manager's position. depending on the local association, you may get local awards too. some of it goes towards local association tournament, paying for lineage, advertising, that sort of stuff for the tournament. some of it goes to having to do background checks on board members to protect the youth from predators. some of it is processing fees, some of it goes to the annual banquets, award ceremonies and so on... there's many things your local association has to pay for with that $9 per person. more than what i listed...



True.  My local association also publishes a magazine.  http://www.ncausbca.org/bowlmag/bowlmag.htm

The website could use a little work, but it is what it is.


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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2010, 10:54:00 PM »
Just wanted to jump on here and clear up a few things. National dues are $10, and have gone up only once in the last 9 years, and will stay the same for 2010-11. The rest of your annual dues go to local and state. Different associations use those dues for different things, but a good portion of it does go to paying the association manager's salary.

For those that may not be aware, here's a look at some of the things that USBC National does for the members' $10. I've broken it up into four different categories:

NATIONAL GOVERNING BODY

Rules
- Providing the rulebook, plus counselors to interpret it

Bonding
- Your insurance that league prize funds will always be paid

Specifications/certifications
- Maintaining the integrity of the game through its equipment

SMART program
- Management of scholarship funds for all youth bowlers

Team USA
- Supporting the team that participates in competitions worldwide

Coaching certifications
- Know for sure that you are getting a qualified coach

Sport bowling
- Leagues that you bowl with lanes just like the pros face

Training Center
- World-class training facility for Team USA and other USBC members

Registered Volunteer Program
- Keeps kids safe out on the lanes


MEMBER SERVICES

Awards
- Everything from 300 rings to printable certificates

Certified averages
- Allowing you to participate in local and state tournaments

Championship tournaments
- Administration of tournaments for all levels of competition

High school/collegiate
- Growing the sport for those in schools around the nation

Member rewards
- Discounts on many products you’d be buying anyway

BIC/customer service
- Answering your questions for everything USBC

Speakers for state/local functions
- Staff members coming to your event to represent headquarters

Convention
- Annual gathering to map the future of the organization


MEDIA

US Bowler/US Youth Bowler
- Quarterly magazine for adults and youth

Bowl.com
- The most visited bowling web site in the world

Web streaming
- Live online coverage of dozens of tournaments and events annually

TV events
- Championship events on national TV

E-mail communication
- Keeps you updated with programs and what’s happening


CHARITY/DIVERSITY

Bowling Foundation
- The charitable arm of the sport of bowling

Diversity
- Assuring the sport is accessible to people of all backgrounds


Thanks for reading. If you have any more questions about where your dues go, I'll be checking this thread periodically to provide some answers.

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Tex

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2010, 11:33:09 PM »
Our cards will go from $18 to $20 starting with any new leagues that begin on March 15th 2010 or later. I went to the meeting where the increase was voted on and was one of maybe 6 people there that was not a director. I had been a director for many years but had left the board due to other actviities. When I left we had a surplus then two years later if it were not for the state tournament host fee we would have been bankrupt. Hard to believe and trinket awards are a small part of that cost. Here is what I can tell you on costs.

Rental on office, utilities, mailing of awards and information to secretaries, local awards, office secretary salary and office manager salary. I know many local associations have their office at someones home, but in a large association that would take a huge home. Since the Dallas BA does all of the center certifications that equipment must have a home and the supplies for that operation also is an added cost. The WBA locally is not involved in that aspect in any way. The BA also does the lane condition inspections which again is a cost for the equipment and tapes, but the directors do the inspections may get mileage for this function, can't swear to that but they should. Once upon a time the directors were treated to two dinners per year for their efforts, this year they had to pay for their own. There is also the cost for the championship awards banquet/election dinner. Then there is the printing of the average books and we have a nice book which up until last year had all of the Dallas bowlers in one book. The women and youth pulled out after the bowlers voted down the merger and now they have a paper covered book. Ours has not lost anything in quality so far.

One thing in Dallas getting in financial difficulties in recent years can also be accredited to the lose of membership combined with the increase in costs. We have not given the empoyees a raise in some time that I am aware of, but who has gotten a raise lately.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2010, 01:35:21 AM »
If your association is large enough to warrent an office space then you need rent.  You need to pay all utilities.  You need to pay insurance.  You need to pay an association manager and/or assistent.  All dispersement of USBC and Local awards are at the cost of the local association.  Flyers, materials and man power to fun your city/local tournaments.  All average verifications.  Your local dues go towards that.  

You also get local awards in some associations.  But they are very expensive and may be discontinued.  

In most cases National Convention delegates are also given a stipend for attending the convention.  Most years our association does not have enough money to send our allouted amount of delegates.  

Your local association also 100%, takes care of all center certifications and zero lineage as well as all the equipment it takes to do this job.  National contributes NOTHING to those tasks.  

If you are paying $20 and $10 goes to National, there is also the possibility of dues going to your state association.  That's probably $1 or so.  

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2010, 01:41:14 AM »
Nicanor, I would suggest that you fill out an application to be a local director and volunteer your time to assist your local association.  Then you will get a small taste of what it takes to hold your local assoc. together.  Just a small taste mind you, but a taste none the less.  Even if you only get taken on for a 1 year term.  

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2010, 09:15:55 AM »
I would like to get some recognition for the bowling that I do.  I'm a 210, right in the middle of bowling 700's every week.  I bowl once a week and sub.  If I bowl a 700I think I've done a great thing.  Is it so hard to get a patch or a yearend reward for what I do.  I'd like to see my money mean something.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2010, 09:26:51 AM »
If it wasn't for your $9 per year, you wouldn't have an association and therefore wouldn't be a sanctioned bowler where you bowl.  Enough said.

No offense resbuzz, but 700s ain't sheet anymore.
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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2010, 02:10:03 PM »
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I believe the USBC also paid for the pro womens prize fund which of course comes from sanction fee

Because of financial woes, USBC announced it was withdrawing financial support for the PBA Women's Series, along with putting the USBC Women's Open on hiatus for 2011.

Mighty Fish

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2010, 02:13:34 PM »
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I would say the ultimate answer would be to pad pockets.  Whose pockets and where......that I dont know, but if investigated long enough, i'd say we'd see a substantial portion of that in pockets.

Not too many years back, information at my disposal indicated that a full 27 percent of the money sent to the national organization went FOR SALARIES of USBC staffers -- NOT COUNTING such things as office supplies, travel expenses, etc.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2010, 01:35:49 AM »
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Not too many years back, information at my disposal indicated that a full 27 percent of the money sent to the national organization went FOR SALARIES of USBC staffers -- NOT COUNTING such things as office supplies, travel expenses, etc.


I think the orginal query was about local dues, not National dues.  The above posted response does not answer towards anything that local USBC dues would go to.  And bowlers really have  little to no input on Nationals dues except to put their local delegates to the convention with a NO vote for any National dues increase.  Now if you do not go to your local annual meeting where delegates are voted in, then you have no reason to complain.  Or if you are not a local director and thus have impact in how you local delegates vote on such things....well you still have no reason to complain.  

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2010, 09:27:50 AM »
A governing body is necessary to maintain the integrity of this sport.  I would just like to see them consult with those footing the bill, through some sort of liaison.  If they are taking our money we should have some way of inputting how it should be spent.  Not on vacations, dinners, constructing huge instructional bowling centers in Texas we'd never be allowed to use even if we could get there in the first place.  

If USBC would spend our money more wisely (instead of raising fees all the time and giving us less in return) maybe people wouldn't be so eager to see it fail.  We do need them to regulate the sport.  But maybe they are investing too much trying to make the sport way bigger than it ever actually could be anymore.  It's not the sport of kings anymore, its the sport of the: barely able to afford it blue-collar type of individuals.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2010, 10:42:23 AM »
bfb,

usbc hasn't raised national dues for many many years....

your local and state associations may have raised their dues. you'll have to check with your local and state board members as to what they are using the dues money for.

pete tredwell made a post on the first page of this thread of what usbc uses the national dues for.

while i have many issues with usbc, especially in the area of lack of communication, this is one area where i agree with them on in that they haven't raised national dues in years and that what we do get in return, check pete tredwell's post for what that includes, is actually quite a bit for what little they get.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2010, 12:11:39 PM »
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usbc hasn't raised national dues for many many years....


While this it true, it is only true because the delegates have not let them.  For at least the last two years they wanted to raise the dues by $5.00 after vowing not to do so a few years ago.  They want to raise fees (and generate cash anyway they can) because they are desperate for money right now.
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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2010, 12:17:02 PM »
Paul,

What you stated is not true. The proposal for a dues increase at the Convention two weeks ago came from the field. The USBC Board and staff recommended that it be voted down, and it was. If it had been approved, USBC staff would not have been obligated to implement the dues increase if it felt that the loss in membership would have offset the increased revenue.

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Re: Where does all the USBC sanctioning card fee go?
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2010, 02:21:12 PM »
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Now if you do not go to your local annual meeting where delegates are voted in, then you have no reason to complain.  Or if you are not a local director and thus have impact in how you local delegates vote on such things....well you still have no reason to complain.

I have personally attended 30 consecutive local association annual meetings. Further, although I've never been an association board member, I have attended a number of regular board meetings over the years, and I've also attended a fair number of ABC/USBC national conventions, as well.