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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: lilpossum1 on July 06, 2014, 08:01:24 PM

Title: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: lilpossum1 on July 06, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
There is always talk of a ball burning up in the heads, mids, or back ends, but I have never been able to tell where the ball is burning up. Can somebody tell me how to know? And if somebody can find videos that show this happening, that would be beautiful lol
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: lilpossum1 on July 06, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
Or if anyone could post a video of how to read a ball's reaction throughout the lane, that would be perfect too!
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: avabob on July 06, 2014, 09:48:58 PM
Heads always track or burn first, even though the heads have the highest volume of oil initially.  However we don't really pick up the rotation of the ball ourselves till it gets to the mids.  Therefore usually we see the ball seem not to push quite as far before it starts to hook.  To my eye it would appear that the mids are going, but the ball has started to burn off energy earlier than that even if we don't see the result. 
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: scotts33 on July 07, 2014, 05:02:21 AM
Good article.  http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/article/el-dorado-and-el-diablo/
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: Gizmo823 on July 07, 2014, 05:51:54 AM
Without naming names, there's a very well known and respected coach who really dislikes this article because it really only pertains to the high rev bowler.  Lower rev higher speed players especially SHOULD look for the friction, not run away from it.  This is a cookie cutter way to teach it, and that's one of the things that's hurting the sport right now.  Too many people are trying to teach technique over concept, and that's when you end up with a lot of people who throw the ball really pretty but don't have a clue what they're doing.  This article is part of why college bowlers are lofting gutter caps 3 games into tournaments. 

Good article.  http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/article/el-dorado-and-el-diablo/
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: Gizmo823 on July 07, 2014, 05:59:33 AM
Most of the time someone on your team will have to advise you when the heads are burnt, but this is correct, head burn almost makes it look like the mids are going, but if you know what it looks like when the mids really are going, then you will be able to differentiate between the two.  If the mids are going, you usually see a sharper jump at 30ish feet, give or take.  If the heads are going, usually the motion is smoother and it looks like the ball just hooks too early rather than making a defined move anywhere to you, but teammates could be able to see the ball jump right when you lay it down. 

Heads always track or burn first, even though the heads have the highest volume of oil initially.  However we don't really pick up the rotation of the ball ourselves till it gets to the mids.  Therefore usually we see the ball seem not to push quite as far before it starts to hook.  To my eye it would appear that the mids are going, but the ball has started to burn off energy earlier than that even if we don't see the result.
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: JustRico on July 07, 2014, 07:55:41 AM
If you are unable to watch your shot, watch what the ball is doing as it enters and exits the pin deck, this can tell as much of the minuscule reaction that is difficult to see...so pay attention to your fellow competitors reaction and what your ball is telling you in the pins
And agreed on the cookie cutter mentality...quit bowling on a piece of paper and get back to bowling on the lanes...watch & learn what your bowling game is doing
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: avabob on July 07, 2014, 01:17:27 PM
Lots of interesting points in this thread.  Being an old school stroker, I probably don't understand, nor am as sympathetic to the high rev power players, but here are a couple of thoughts. 

First different styles have different options on how to attack a pattern.  Power players first and foremost need head oil combined with some down lane friction.  Except on the new very long patterns ( over 45 feet ) they can find this combination quickly and create the out angle to put them in a comfort zone.  Straighter players can take advantage of their lower rev rate to create some hold area in the mids that would be unavailable to higher rev players.  In shorter formats or early in a round, this can give us straight guys an advantage. 

As for guys moving left, and lofting the gutter cap, this started with the tour players a few years after the introduction of resin balls.  The resin balls basically allowed high rev guys to stand left and throw right now matter what the pattern.  Most of the top guys on the mega buck circuit in the mid 90s attacked the super flat patterns of those tournaments in that way, and as more young power guys graduated to the tour in became a real problem.  Lane men were complaining that they had no way to use the pattern to make guys play the lane in the manner intended. 

Today we see  high volumes of high viscosity oil applied much longer than in the past.
Watch the guys like Rash and Belmonte this summer and you see guys playing very straight initially with much less axis rotation on fresh long patterns.  What Valenta did in the Badger tournament was an intentional strategy to force everyone else to loft the gutter cap along with him.  In past years that was the what happened quickly as most of the guys moved in right away and were forced in the lofting strategy quickly.

Even us low rev guys burn a hole in the pattern pretty quickly, but by starting around 10 board we have a long way to move as the shot breaks down.  I have noted for several years that seniors score higher than the kids on the same tournament patterns, because we don't blow the shot up for ourselves by moving in too quickly.   
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: lilpossum1 on July 09, 2014, 11:39:19 PM
Thanks for all the help!! It certainly helped me on Tuesday night!
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: 2handedrook12 on July 10, 2014, 11:27:18 AM
This was really an informative post. Being a two handed bowler, most people assume I am just a one trick pony. However, I have the ability to lower my speed and rev rate drastically. As avabob said, a lot of college bowlers are lofting the gutter cap early because they burn a hole in the pattern too fast.With this in mind, I destroy the pattern with those guys at first, and then I can switch my role to play right with the best of the strokers. Honestly, I feel they never had to bowl on enough of the short/dry patterns where they are forced to still play to the right and need less revs and axis. I guess you can sat I am a teo-hander with an old school mindset.
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: avabob on July 10, 2014, 02:02:51 PM
I remember a few years back when junior gold was first starting that all the coaches lamented how the kids moved in right away and tried to hook the lane on the short patterns.  From my observations kids are getting smarter.  It also helps that they can watch the best pros play straighter on fresh patterns ( most of the time ). 
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: northface28 on July 10, 2014, 10:55:28 PM
This was really an informative post. Being a two handed bowler, most people assume I am just a one trick pony. However, I have the ability to lower my speed and rev rate drastically. As avabob said, a lot of college bowlers are lofting the gutter cap early because they burn a hole in the pattern too fast.With this in mind, I destroy the pattern with those guys at first, and then I can switch my role to play right with the best of the strokers. Honestly, I feel they never had to bowl on enough of the short/dry patterns where they are forced to still play to the right and need less revs and axis. I guess you can sat I am a teo-hander with an old school mindset.

I think you are a liar, period.
Title: Re: WHERE is the lane burning up?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on July 21, 2014, 08:47:56 PM
This is from a article called "Preparing for World Championship Events - The Short" By Ted Thompson
read it here:
http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=49 (http://www.kegel.net/V3/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=49)

here is the example of a ball "burning up" from it.