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BigHorhn

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Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« on: September 20, 2005, 05:49:48 AM »
Which do you guys prefer for your heavy oil ball and why?
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lilphyzx

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2005, 01:31:52 PM »
Do you guys out there think it has something to do with a persons particular game that determines which would work better. I like that weapon of mass bias and it has a assymetric core along with the I believe the animal and arsenal aggressive. These balls always worked well for me in heavier conditions but im not sure if its  a matter of the symetrics. The absolute also works well for me. Do you guys think most of these balls share an definite alikeness.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2005, 02:26:36 PM »
Whichever ball is drilled properly for your game....sym or asym is not the factor!
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BigHorhn

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2005, 03:32:29 PM »
It has to make a difference or they would just make one or the other. Does anybody have a preference?
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lilphyzx

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2005, 12:29:39 PM »
True, it has to make some kind of difference.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2005, 12:38:17 PM »
No guys it really doesn't....

Asyms will give you the "opportunity" to be stronger off the break point and offer more "overall" drilling options because of the core.

BUT...like I said.....if it's drilled properly for YOUR game....it shouldn't matter

I throw strong asyms now.....Morich Hercules (2 of them)...
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2005, 01:14:36 PM »
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Just remember that the mass bias does 2 things...1)ENHANCES the reaction,
May I correct you please.....it "CAN" or "HAS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO" enhance the reaction IF WANTED!

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and 2)give the ball maker a reason to tack on $50 more for it.


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Kind of like golf balls...one $40/doz ball may go 3 feet farther or spin/stop a bit better than the $20/doz ball...but 90% of all golfers (like me) would not gain ANYTHING by playing with the expensive one, and most would not even notice the difference.  Why?  Lack of overall consistency. At least 1/2 of their shots are not hit dead center on the clubface to maximize the properties of the ball, and/or they don't have the skill to draw/spin, etc. the ball.


I see where you're going.....but the analogy isn't complete because you can't "enhance" the balls you use....it may have been a different analogy if you would have referenced clubs because clubs are operated by the "user" like bowling balls are....

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Same with the premium balls.  If a bowler is perhaps 220+, especially a top amatuer or pro, they can throw the ball the same just about every shot (i.e. PBIII CATS score was crazy, like 50 shots within 1/4 inch and .2 mph).  They can "dial in" the little extra kick the assym/MB core can give you.  On the other side, the other 90%+ of bowlers who make mistakes on 1/4 or more of their shots will not benefit from that extra kick at the backend.  What good will the premium ball with the big MB do if you are +/- 3-4 boards on every shot, or +/- 3-4 mph?  


And that's where a competent driller who knows your game and the ball you want drilled comes into play....let me correct myself.....is INVALUABLE!!!!

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Symmetric balls will be more forgiving, i.e. more apt to hit the pocket for less than a highly skilled player.  If a skilled player has a line where the assym ball works, they will carry that 1 or 2 extra strikes per series that might win money for them.  If the assym ball is a bit strong (i.e. solid back rows or 4's or 6's) they can go to a symm ball to take a touch off.


the competent driller drills into the ball a 'forgiveness' because it's drilled for YOUR specific game.  For instance...and remember, this is for me only: but...KOTM drills a strong midlane for me because that's where I'm more apt to "miss" or be inconsistent.  Also..he never makes any of my equipment go "sideways" at the break point either...it doesn't suit my game....this makes my equipment versatile over more conditions and usuable on more conditions simply w/ cover prep changes.  This combined w/ his knowledge of asyms and drilling.....it works! So all that together gives you the versatility!

So back to what I originally said....let me re-phrase what I said...

With the right driller.....it doesn't matter.......




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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2005, 01:23:53 PM »
I agree with the notion it does not matter (asymmetrical vs symmetrical) as long as it is drilled to fit your game and the condition you will see.

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2005, 01:29:44 PM »
I believe symmetric assymetric has very little to do with success on oil.

One must also define oil.  League oil(ie dry somwhere outside).  Tournament oil.
ie dry only at back.

I kill tournament oil with a Track Spell.  high rg allows me to point!

I like heavy oil with dry outside with low rg for swing.  I get more recovery from mass bias when they are drilled for strong break point!
Often don't need that!

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2005, 01:36:16 PM »
It really does not matter about whether or not the ball is asym or sym.
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BigHorhn

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2005, 01:40:19 PM »
Its great to sit back and let you guys debate an issue. I learned something from you all. I know it was an open ended question Jeffrevs but that was just to get some feedback, thanks. I have a storm ace and I love the way it backends on the right condition. I like symetric bowlingballs. I like the stability. I didn't think asymetric would work for me. Now that I know they will, I was thinking about getting one for the heavier oil shot. From reading your profile Bob Hanson, your game sounds similar to mine and I think I read that you prefer symetric equipment. Its just an experiment, I'll be sticking with symetric bowlingballs in general. I think my ball driller is competent, his explanations aren't as good as you guys though. Thanks
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2005, 02:02:05 PM »
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Ahhh, but Jeff...has using an assym ball magically given you 10-20 pins a game?
Nope...because I suck!! ...really....no...it doesn't and I didn't claim that they did either. I'm just saying that they can be drilled to be versatile ....and ....just because they're drilled to be versatile does NOT make them like a sym ball....it may react 'similar' to a sym ball...but you'll get a more pronounced hit from the core. Will you "see" the difference ...probably not.....and oh, by the way...I"m only talking about strong asyms ....Track hi level, and Mo's stuff....

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The point I was trying to make is a PBA level bowler will release/roll/spin the ball exactly the same way within 1/2 board and .2 mph on every shot, so that the MB extra reaction can be used to maximize his strike potential.  If a ball driller (KOTM or anyone) drills smoothness into a ball (lessens the MB effect),
First , I didn't say 'smoothness' I said drilled to fit YOUR game...so ..."lessens the MB effect" comment isnt' necssarily true.

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then it is virtually no different than just using a symmetric ball (which due to the CG and a pin out, will in fact have some MB in it!).


Not necessarily....see response above.....

 
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The golf analogy was like the PBA pro, Tiger Woods & co. actually wear circles on their clubs (wear them out) because they hit the ball in the same place on every shot.  Only then can you maximize the effect of the extra distance or extra spin (with wedges, etc.) ball.  Hackers like me, with "ball spots" all over the face of my driver never truly realize the extra benefit of a top ball due to inconsistency.
I see that too,...but a driller "can" acommodate for you inconsistencies because you can 'tweak' an asym to do certain things that a sym ball can't.  I'm not knocking it the sym ball ..just saying that if done right the asym can be just as acommodating AND more versatile too becauase of its' ....excuse this word...'tweakability' ?!


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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2005, 03:05:11 AM »
I like both.  I prefer symetrical.  It's the cover that's most important to me when it comes to heavy oil.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Asymetric vs symetric heavy oil balls
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2005, 09:08:16 AM »
I only rely on cover for heavy oil if there is league heavy oil!
(dry outside)...then it is always dull and low rg.  Examples Pro Zone Azure, Reaction Roll, X factor Deuce.

For tourney oil I"ve used pearl(battle zone bullet), Solid polished(Demolition Zone), Particle solid(Pro Zone Violet) and the best for the longest oil...Track Spell.

All balls for tourney oil are higher rg and allow me to point.  i've killed with all 4 balls above on oil from gutter to gutter and only dry at back of pattern.  The lower rg balls when used on heavy tourney oil force me away from pocket and then don't recover enough!.

Of course it helps to be able to slow down to almost 12 mph and still be able to put some pretty strong revs on the ball!

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