Post by: THIRTYSIXRED on June 17, 2010, 08:14:39 AM
I know Ebonite Hammer Columbia and Track are all 1 company. Roto Grip and Storm are another.
Who pours (or is linked at this point in time to each other) ??
Post by: Darkness Falls on June 17, 2010, 04:17:33 PM
Edited on 6/17/2010 4:18 PM
Edited on 6/17/2010 4:19 PM
Post by: charlest on June 17, 2010, 04:40:26 PM
Visionary pours Visionary.
Tech-Line pours Motiv.
Brunswick pours Revolution.
Ebonite pours Dyno-Thane.
Lanemasters pours Lanemasters and Legends.
Storm pours AZO.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Hogsharley on June 17, 2010, 07:47:59 PM
--------------------
3 holes of fun!!
Post by: MVbowler on June 17, 2010, 08:56:01 PM
--------------------
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 17, 2010, 09:06:15 PM
Edited on 6/17/2010 9:07 PM
Post by: charlest on June 17, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
quote:
Charlest- Isn't 900 global the former dynothane company??
--------------------
No, not technically.
Phil Cardinale is either the major stockholder or THE owner of 900Global. He used to own/run Dyno-Thane (under Storm, then Columbia's "auspices"), but Ebonite bought the entire Columbia300 corporate family, as far as I know, including DT. DT now only produces balls for the inetrnational market.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: batbowler on June 17, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
--------------------
"Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will "Get MOTIVated, and not turn from it and become a bowling VISIONARY who sees a striking future.
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/
http://visionarybowling.com/?cat=4
Post by: shelley on June 17, 2010, 10:16:10 PM
quote:
Charlest- Isn't 900 global the former dynothane company??
As Jeff said, that's true in spirit if not legally. The Dynothane brand went to Ebonite with the Columbia buyout. The staff, for the most part, went on to form 900 Global. That includes Phil and Eric Thomas and a number of other engineers. They also bought the factory and capital equipment, as far as I know.
If you were a Track or Dynothane fan 10 years ago, 900 Global and AMF are the companies for you.
AMF is still in the house equipment manufacturing business. They make pinsetters, lanes, ball returns, that sort of stuff. AMF is not in the ball design or manufacturing they license the name to 900 Global for manufacturing bowling balls. 900 Global does not "own" AMF, they design and market balls under that name.
SH
Post by: charlest on June 17, 2010, 10:37:43 PM
quote:quote:
Charlest- Isn't 900 global the former dynothane company??
As Jeff said, that's true in spirit if not legally. The Dynothane brand went to Ebonite with the Columbia buyout. The staff, for the most part, went on to form 900 Global. That includes Phil and Eric Thomas and a number of other engineers. They also bought the factory and capital equipment, as far as I know.
If you were a Track or Dynothane fan 10 years ago, 900 Global and AMF are the companies for you.
AMF is still in the house equipment manufacturing business. They make pinsetters, lanes, ball returns, that sort of stuff. AMF is not in the ball design or manufacturing they license the name to 900 Global for manufacturing bowling balls. 900 Global does not "own" AMF, they design and market balls under that name.
SH
Bingo! +1
AMF has contracted to 900Global (as far as I understand) to design, market and manufacture AMF balls. AMF balls are to 900Global balls as Roto-Grip is to Storm, more or less. (Vague generality) So, as I see it, AMF can be taken independent of 900Global or as an adjunct to 900Global balls, when designing an arsenal. (CHeck your Funk and Wagnals for "adjunct".
)--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: charlest on June 17, 2010, 10:38:52 PM
quote:
Motiv is Tech-Line, it's just their ball company name.
--------------------
"Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will "Get MOTIVated, and not turn from it and become a bowling VISIONARY who sees a striking future.
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/
http://visionarybowling.com/?cat=4
"Kind of" like Lanemasters manufactures Legends balls.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: MTD300 on June 18, 2010, 05:12:29 AM
Post by: bowlingnut76 on June 18, 2010, 06:39:01 AM
--------------------
Nothing hits like a hammer
Big B king of them all
Buddies pro shop...The place all bowlers shop
Post by: charlest on June 18, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
quote:
ok why is 900 global pouring storm balls? i find that to be very interesting...is it cheaper for storm to outsource this then to pour in house....does storm have a big plant or is it a small operation and cant handle producing all thier equipment?
--------------------
Nothing hits like a hammer
Big B king of them all
Buddies pro shop...The place all bowlers shop
For the true answer to that you'd have to talk to Storm and 900Global.
We can assume that Storm did not have the capacity in their production line at the time and 900Global did. I doubt if "cheaper" entered into the equation.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: milorafferty on June 18, 2010, 11:03:55 AM
quote:quote:
Motiv is Tech-Line, it's just their ball company name.
--------------------
"Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will "Get MOTIVated, and not turn from it and become a bowling VISIONARY who sees a striking future.
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/
http://visionarybowling.com/?cat=4
"Kind of" like Lanemasters manufactures Legends balls.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Not the same thing. Legends is the premium line of balls Lanemasters produces, but they are still Lanemaster balls. I think the correct analogy for Lanemasters products would be the Crown, Shield etc lines in Rotogrip products. Lanemasters has Legends, Max Performance, High Performance and Plus Performance lines. But only the Legends line is labeled accordingly.
--------------------
Nine in the pit with the Tenpin left standing. dooooh!!
Post by: qstick777 on June 18, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
quote:
AMF 300 and Lane 1 are poured by 900 Global also. Morich is poured by Brunswick. US Act is Ebonite. Thats pretty much what I got atm.
Edited on 6/17/2010 4:18 PM
Edited on 6/17/2010 4:19 PM
I would be hesitant to make a blanket statement about those overseas companies. I don't think they have any loyalty or requirements to stick with one manufacturer.
I have a ball from US Act that I was told was poured by 900Global. The box, label, and drill sheet appear to be from AMF/900G.
I haven't been able to find any information about the overseas companies like US Act and Revolution, but if anybody has anything, please share!
Post by: nocarey on June 18, 2010, 11:11:14 AM
quote:
. . .I have a ball from US Act that I was told was poured by 900Global. The box, label, and drill sheet appear to be from AMF/900G.
I haven't been able to find any information about the overseas companies like US Act and Revolution, but if anybody has anything, please share!
Is that an Astro? Mine looked like it was from Brunswick. . .
Post by: tywithay on June 18, 2010, 11:17:52 AM
Post by: charlest on June 18, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
quote:quote:quote:
Motiv is Tech-Line, it's just their ball company name.
--------------------
"Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will "Get MOTIVated, and not turn from it and become a bowling VISIONARY who sees a striking future.
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/
http://visionarybowling.com/?cat=4
"Kind of" like Lanemasters manufactures Legends balls.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Not the same thing. Legends is the premium line of balls Lanemasters produces, but they are still Lanemaster balls. I think the correct analogy for Lanemasters products would be the Crown, Shield etc lines in Rotogrip products. Lanemasters has Legends, Max Performance, High Performance and Plus Performance lines. But only the Legends line is labeled accordingly.
--------------------
Nine in the pit with the Tenpin left standing. dooooh!!
They've sort of shifted things around in the recent past.
They used to have 2 SEPARATE lines of balls: Legends and Lanemasters. Legends was not JUST an upper line like the Crown. It was more like Quantum and Brunswick used to be. They were more expensive and they came with special additions and different box, etc.
Tech-Line is the name of the company, like Lanemasters is. Motiv is the name of their bowling ball line. Like Legends used to be. At one point in time, they only had Legends balls. As I said, things have changed.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: qstick777 on June 18, 2010, 03:06:05 PM
quote:quote:
. . .I have a ball from US Act that I was told was poured by 900Global. The box, label, and drill sheet appear to be from AMF/900G.
I haven''t been able to find any information about the overseas companies like US Act and Revolution, but if anybody has anything, please share!
Is that an Astro? Mine looked like it was from Brunswick. . .
Nope, it''s an Integral Starter. It''s asymmetric, but I have no idea about the shape or actual numbers. I bought it from tekneek a while back. I asked him if you had any info and he told me it was a 900G pour with a "knock off" core, and gave me some estimated numbers.
Using a "knock off" core, I thought that maybe they supply their own cores, but I noticed Buddie''s has 2 balls from US Act that were produced by Ebonite and they appear to use the core from the NV series, so I''m not sure.
Edited on 6/18/2010 3:09 PM
Post by: milorafferty on June 18, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
quote:quote:quote:quote:
Motiv is Tech-Line, it''s just their ball company name.
--------------------
"Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will "Get MOTIVated, and not turn from it and become a bowling VISIONARY who sees a striking future.
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/
http://visionarybowling.com/?cat=4
"Kind of" like Lanemasters manufactures Legends balls.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Not the same thing. Legends is the premium line of balls Lanemasters produces, but they are still Lanemaster balls. I think the correct analogy for Lanemasters products would be the Crown, Shield etc lines in Rotogrip products. Lanemasters has Legends, Max Performance, High Performance and Plus Performance lines. But only the Legends line is labeled accordingly.
--------------------
Nine in the pit with the Tenpin left standing. dooooh!!
They''ve sort of shifted things around in the recent past.
They used to have 2 SEPARATE lines of balls: Legends and Lanemasters. Legends was not JUST an upper line like the Crown. It was more like Quantum and Brunswick used to be. They were more expensive and they came with special additions and different box, etc.
Tech-Line is the name of the company, like Lanemasters is. Motiv is the name of their bowling ball line. Like Legends used to be. At one point in time, they only had Legends balls. As I said, things have changed.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
I don''t think that is correct. Lane Masters originally produced a line of balls that carried the AZO label. I still see them from time to time.
The Extreme Impact was produced in 2002 and was the first ball made by the company that wasn''t an AZO ball. That ball was a Lane Masters ball as it says right on the cover.
The Legends line did not begin until 2004 with the release of the New Standard, Big Kahuna, Yea Baby and I think the Satisfaxion.
Originally, Legends was the brand name of the lane maintenance products the company produces that transferred over to the ball line as the premium brand.
--------------------
Nine in the pit with the Tenpin left standing. dooooh!!
Edited on 6/18/2010 3:47 PM
Post by: charlest on June 18, 2010, 04:14:07 PM
AT that point there were Legends and Lanemasters balls, 2 separate lines, more like QUantum and Brunswick than anything else.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: milorafferty on June 18, 2010, 04:28:17 PM
quote:
The Impact line was just copies of the AZO balls. The Legends line was their first line of balls that put them on the map.
AT that point there were Legends and Lanemasters balls, 2 separate lines, more like QUantum and Brunswick than anything else.
--------------------
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Not to be too blunt about this charlest, but you are incorrect. I know you''re not used to having anyone here tell you that, but it''s a fact. There was the Impact series that was produced in 2002, while the AZO line ended in 2003 I think. The first Legends balls did not come out until 2004.
Even if the Impact series was the "rebranding" of the AZ0 line, there was at least three balls in 2003, The Answer, Perfection Particle and Perfection Reactive. These were all Lanemasters balls.
--------------------
Nine in the pit with the Tenpin left standing. dooooh!!
Edited on 6/18/2010 4:31 PM
Post by: ToiletLogCore on June 18, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
--------------------
You've just been handed a little TLC