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xrayjay

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CoorZero

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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2016, 02:01:53 PM »
USBC only gives restrictions on Differential Radius of Gyration which is at 0.060 inches.  This is the difference between the low Rg (x-axis) and high Rg (y-axis) of the bowling ball.

The intermediate differential refers to the difference between the high Rg (y-axis) and the PSA (z-axis).

In theory, I believe the PSA can be as high as 0.059 inches assuming it is less than than the low Rg (x-axis).  If at any point the PSA becomes smaller than the low Rg then the PSA becomes the low Rg and the low Rg becomes the PSA, if that makes sense.

Interesting. I'm not sure where my assumption otherwise came from then.

Another question would be how many actually want something with that kind of intermediate differential undrilled. Seems like it could be a very good or very bad matchup for some, much more so than the typical range you see for intermediate differential.

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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 04:58:19 PM »
Remember Morich???.....They had some of the highest int diff bowling balls at the time at .027 up to .037 undrilled pretty consistently across their brand.

Other brands at that time were also using with higher int diffs.....then they stopped. Notice brands then went to int diff in their high performance lines of .010 to .025 max.

Now you have Hammer with symmetric cores in their HP line and Columbia with the Swerve series using .007 which is considered symmetric even though they mark the psa on the ball.

Many manufactures quickly figured out symmetric and lower int diff asymmetrics were more driller and bowler friendly.
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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2016, 10:42:22 PM »
I had some teammates that were really high on MoRich stuff, but I never got into it and wasn't researching equipment like I do now. Interesting that Mo and Phil don't bring out cores like that anymore. Definitely tells you something.

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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2016, 07:55:29 AM »
I remember buying a Lane 1 Cobalt Bomb several years ago.  They fooled me like thousands of others.  As a licensed Professional Engineer, I should have my head examined.  I bought into the whole diamond core marketing and thought "wow, this all makes sense... this diamond core is the answer I've been looking for!" I tried that ball on various patterns and there was nothing special.  In fact, I noticed I left a lot of 10 pins with the ball and it did not "shatter" the pins like advertised.  I sold that POS a few months later.  First and last time I buy into a company like that.  I stick with the majors now and balls thrown by "WINNING" pros on TV - Storm and Brunswick. 
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 08:04:14 AM »
You mean to tell me there are people that are willing to pay $310 for a ball?  Wow!

Go on Facebook and check out some of the "Bowling Gems" threads. There are people on there asking $300, $400, $500 and more for balls. I saw a guy asking more than $400 for a NIB Onyx Vibe. I loved those balls, but I would rather throw myself off a bridge than pay $400 for one ball, let alone a ball that I paid $85 for NIB with my old PBA discount. I'm all for business, so more power to someone if they can get a person to pay that much. As for me, the most I've ever paid for a ball is $225, and that was off the pro shop shelf including grips, slug, etc. Most times, I won't even pay that much.

Gene J Kanak

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Re: Why so expensive?
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 08:09:50 AM »
I remember buying a Lane 1 Cobalt Bomb several years ago.  They fooled me like thousands of others.  As a licensed Professional Engineer, I should have my head examined.  I bought into the whole diamond core marketing and thought "wow, this all makes sense... this diamond core is the answer I've been looking for!" I tried that ball on various patterns and there was nothing special.  In fact, I noticed I left a lot of 10 pins with the ball and it did not "shatter" the pins like advertised.  I sold that POS a few months later.  First and last time I buy into a company like that.  I stick with the majors now and balls thrown by "WINNING" pros on TV - Storm and Brunswick.

I really liked some of the Lane 1 stuff back in the days when they were poured by Brunswick. I never truly thought that the diamond core was magical or anything, but most of those balls rolled really well for me, and the carry was quite good. Once Brunswick stopped pouring for them, there weren't nearly as many releases that looked as good to me, so I stopped using them.

In the end, it was always the same debate. Some people matched up really well with their gear, so they felt it was okay to pay the higher prices. Others didn't match up as well and/or didn't see enough benefit to warrant paying the extra, so they didn't. It led to countless shouting-match threads that really went nowhere. In the end, it always comes down to the same thing. It's up to the individual bowler to determine what works for his or her game and how much $$ is worth spending to get it.